• BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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    Remember that Cryptkeeper liar Kellyanne Conway, from his first term? She got so many fines for violations of the Hatch Act, that they totalled over $100,000, which she never paid, of course.(and nobody has made her).

    When asked if she was concerned about the rising fines, she just said “Let me know when they are talking about jail time.”

    Or like Aldo Rains from Inglorious Bastards, when he shoots Hans Landa’s assistant, and Landa shouts “You’ll be shot for that!” And Aldo says “Shot? I don’t think so. More like chewed out. I been chewed out before.”

    That’s how these people think. They don’t care that it’s wrong or illegal or immoral. All that matters are consequences, and if there are none, then it’s as good as legal. Even if the consequences are fines, that’s okay because they either won’t pay them, or they have so much money that they don’t even care. Just pay and keep operating. It’s just the price of doing business.

    So what is an impeachment but a glorified chewing out? It carries no fine or penalty of any sort. To them, it just means their enemy has put it on the record, but they don’t care. He was already impeached twice, once for an Insurrection that would have gotten him and every one of his followers hunted down and hanged in the not so distant past, and he actually got reelected.

    Impeachment without a conviction in the Senate is a toothless, pathetic waste of time, and only highlights how weak the Democratic opposition really is.

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    Oh I’m sure we’ll get him this time. Yup all those other times he dodged responsibility for his actions were just practice. This will truly be the moment of reckoning.

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    why is stealing in scare quotes? that’s literally what he’s factually objectively demonstrably fucking obviously doing

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      While the media are generally cowardly if not outright fawning towards Trump, in this case I think the quotes are not intended to be scare quotes. This is a standard journalistic way of indicating in the headline that this is a direct quote, not a paraphrase, of what he said.

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    “Could be”? Are they setting the stage for yet another example of when Democrats have the power to do something beneficial…they simply decide not to?

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      Their messaging needs to be simple and clear… Trump and his cabinet are breaking the law, and must be impeached.

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      There are probably hundred of removable offenses at this point. I wish his staff had an ounce of morality left and would have him removed over his war rhetoric. Nobody wants it, not even maga, why the fuck are we at the whims of one guy right now.

      Everything I ever learned about our government was that this situation could never happen because of our checks and balances.

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    A bit misleading, to have the power to remove Trump requires 67 Senate votes which means removing every single Republican up for reelection and losing no seats or otherwise convincing those Republicans to remove Trump.

    Even then, the line of succession will go to Christofascist Vance.

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      Voice of reason.

      He commits impeachable offenses LITERALLY every single day. Just impeaching him with no consequences is a waste of effort, and it’s not like Vance is going to be a picnic. Besides, Id rather leave Trump in and watch him make the MAGA candidates dance in 2028, teasing them about staying in or getting out, etc. He’ll have lots to say, and they’ll be afraid to cross him, etc. It’s going to be entertaining.

      If Vance is in, it gives him a chance to normalize MAGA, and make them viable for 2028.

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          EDIT: I was wrong, he’s Catholic, he should be excommed


          Evangelicals don’t believe in excommunication, their churches don’t have central authorities which is why so many of them turn into money grubbing scams like televangelists with mega-churches.

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        And then you’ll have the equally loathsome Mike Johnson. It’s scumbags all the way down with that mob.

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          if trump gets impeached then theoretically congress should be functioning again and enforcing the constitution and law on the executive.

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            I feel like Vance for all his aspirations cannot be compared to an elderly serial rapist pedophile who dodged the draft and tore down a wing of the whitehouse.

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              yeah he may or may not break the law but presidents that do should be impeached if congress is functioning correctly.

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    As an outside observer - does impeaching do anything? I thought he’d got two of those under his belt already and it made no difference.

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      Impeachment is done in the House of Representatives and is similar to an indictment. After the House impeaches a government official a trial is held in the Senate. A conviction requires a two thirds vote in the Senate. If convicted the official is removed from office and may be barred from holding future office.

      Trump has been impeached twice but neither trial has resulted in the 67 votes required for conviction in the Senate.

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      You have to impeach in order to remove from office. So far impeachment hasn’t led to that, but it could.

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        the gop will never remove one of thier own office, they may virtue signalling by doing it in the house, but they made deals ahead of time knowing the senate will not convict.

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        it could

        It absolutely couldn’t. Best estimates show dems gaining a couple seats in the midterms, and conviction requires 2/3 of the senate. There’s no way 15+ of the GQP are gonna suddenly not be fascist bootlickers.

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              That’s the question that the entire world waits to have answered.

              Congress is empowered by the constitution with tools to prevent the exact scenario of an out of control executive. The people currently leading congress seem to be spineless or part of the corruption, it’s hard to tell the difference.

              That being said, Trump is on the way out (the opinions troll farm bots not withstanding) and there are already former supporters who are starting to break off or to create distance between themselves and Trump. His public sentiment polling is deeply negative and his health is increasingly becoming harder to ignore.

              There are people in congress who could potentially be serving terms (pending reelection) after Trump is gone and those people are starting to weigh drawing Trump’s wrath vs having the stain of Trump follow them onwards in their career. You’ll notice that there are not a lot of quotes about current events from Republican Senators or House Reps that are up for re-election in the mid-terms, everyone knows how deeply unpopular Trump is outside of his alt-right base (which, without moderates, cannot win elections) and they also know that he could literally do anything tomorrow (like try to invade Greenland) which would put them in a position of openly supporting obviously illegal actions* which isn’t a good look to moderates from the party claiming to be the party of law and order.

              *Greenland is owned by Denmark because of a Treaty with the US, in which the US received the US Virgin Islands. A treaty in the US is ratified by congress and becomes federal law. Everyone that isn’t intentionally playing dumb, knows this. Trump’s orders to draw up a plan to invade Greenland have been met with pushback from the military because it is so clearly against federal law.

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      The House has the power to impeach him…but only the Senate has the power to remove him. All the other times Democrats had control of the House, while Republicans controlled the Senate.

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          Republicans controlled the Senate in 2020…and after that, Biden was president until 2024.

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            Yes, and during the time democrats had a majority, they did fucking nothing to bring him to justice.

            To hear you talk about it, you’d think there is no such thing as a democratic majority ever.