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I think we owe a ton of those first amendment auditors an apology. Or at least I would offer them one if I saw videos of them out here now.
What, you ridiculed them?
Oh, most definitely. And honestly I still think anyone who calls themselves a first amendment auditor is more likely than not a little out of whack with regards to the norms of society and the law.
I believe every example I’ve seen roughly boils down to:
“I’m going to stand here and film this elementary school to see if anyone oppresses me by saying I can’t”
Cop: “everything okay here sir?”.
"This is public property and I can film here if I want. You have no right to tell me not to!”.
Cop: “that’s alright, I only asked if everything was okay. We got some reports about strange behavior and that you were making people uncomfortable so I came to check up on things”.
“Well now you know that everything’s fine, no one has anything to be concerned about because it’s perfectly legal, and you can run along now. Good bye.”.
Cop: “alright, well it might be nice if you considered moving along, since you’re making people uncomfortable. Just a thought. Bye.”.
Title: “1st amendment patriot schools cop on meaning of the law”.Cops are assholes, but those guys invariably share videos of the least objectionable behavior to illustrate that.
The first amendment auditor types tend to lean Libertarian, which hasn’t exactly been a been a hip ideology for a long time now. A number of them tended to be lacking in practical knowledge of the law or the constitution, and some seemed to be in it more for attention than for an actual dedication to ideas of free speech and civil liberties
Not all of them were like this of course, and there are folks out there dong good 1st amendment auditing type work, but there’s a reason that, on the whole, these types got made fun of.
They were going after an easy paycheck from tax payer backs.
And again, I haven’t seen a single one out in front of ice.
Sounds like he’s threatening to murder her to me. That should be time behind bars.
Should, yes, but won’t… sadly.
ORGANIZE PROTEST STRIKES IN ALL WORKPLACES, JOIN YOUR WORK UNIONS!!! FIGHT THIS TERROR WITH UNITY!!! DEMAND THE IMMEDIATE RELEASE OF THE ARRESTED PEOPLE!!! DEMAND THE DISSOLUTION OF THE ICE AND THIS GOV !!!
STRIKE!!! STRIKE!!! STRIKE!!! Bring the entire economy of AMERICA to a standstill for one day: the shipyards, factories, workshops, offices and banks, municipal services, and public works!!
MAKE YOUR DEMANDS CLEAR EVERYWHERE: FORCE THE ICE SCUM OUT, IMPEACH TRUMP, PUT HIM IN JAIL, AND BREAK THE STRANGLEHOLD OF BILLIONAIRE (TECH) POWER OVER OUR GOV, TAX THE RICH, FAIR WAGES AND NATIONAL HEALTHCARE!!!
STAND UNITED!! BE COURAGEOUS!! FIGHT PROUDLY FOR THE LIBERATION OF OUR COUNTRY!!!
Friends: Pass this manifesto on after reading it.This won’t even get 2% participation. Most people can’t. Many agree with what ICE is doing. Unions are mostly government employees or government contracted in my area anyway. There are no unions for regular folks.
I can remember, that it only needs like 3-5% of a population to make significant changes in the country.
Will there be learning when one of these dickheads has a bullet in their fucking head or gets disappeared? Do Republicans learn? Does ICE care or have compassion? These are the questions
or gets disappeared?
They’re a lot less dangerous alone and off duty. If we’re not safe, why should they be?
No, just escalation. An ICE agent being shot is exactly what the Trump admin is after.
No, nonsense.
The trump admin wants to enact their plan. This bullshit about ‘giving them a reason’ is idiotic.
They are searching for and will find their own reasons, they’re calling this innocent mother of three ‘radicalised by the left’.
You are arguing for a lack of resistance.
You are right there will be escalation, but the escalation is coming regardless.
How many more innocent people have to be brutally murdered before enough is enough?
Or what do you suggest is done otherwise?
Personally I’m an advocate for burning their homes while they are out terrorising.
I would argue that peaceful mass protest would be more effective. The problem you have is that you are just not getting the numbers out on the street to become ungovernable and topple the admin. A general strike would change things quickly.
You start burning down ICE agents homes and having running street battles, yes it will feel satisfying to take some of them out with you but you will ultimately be killed or arrested and the admin will have the imagery to get low info citizens to side with them not you.
I agree with you that they are going to keep pushing regardless, but the people against this need the best optics possible to get more people on their side. Vigilante killings are not going to be helpful and will just accelerate things. I would say it’s worth keeping to the peaceful route out of this, as civil war is going to be a absolute bloodbath and your going to be up against the American military. Bad odds.
That being said, owning a weapon and knowing how to use it is not a bad idea if the worst comes to pass.
“The revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it to” - Kevin Roberts president of the Heritage Foundation. That’s what you’re arguing for. They don’t need a reason, they’ve already killed people without one.
Set out your stall then. What are you arguing for and be specific.
I am arguing that the Trump administration doesn’t need any excuses to escalate and destroy democracy, they are completely fine doing it either way. What the fascists have said previously is that the revolution will happen no matter what, it’s just up to the left wether or not they actually have to fight for their fascist dictatorship. Not shooting the fascists in the face, is letting them do everything they want, with nothing more than a slightly inconvenient protest every 6 months in a few cities.
Were all in agreement that Trump admin will keep ramping the pressure. So what are you actually suggesting as a workable solution involving force? Get pulled over by ICE just start shooting?
I am suggesting whole neighborhoods starting to chase them out with weapons. Yes, it will suck, yes, people will die, but the alternative is literally Auschwitz for everyone who isn’t straight, white, fascist and able-bodied. They will not stop after putting brown people in concentration camps,. They will not stop after taking away the rights of gay people.
People are going to die, either in concentration camps, or in the streets.
Replicating what the black panthers did in their communities I can see working. You guys better start organising then.
This line of reasoning is now solely an excuse for cowardice. Trump will escalate no matter what.
Okay you have done the easy bit and called someone a coward.
What’s your preferred plan to beat the Trump admin. Lets hear the exact details.
Find and join or create a local community based organization and talk to your friends, neighbors, coworkers, and family about the fascist threat. Spend your free time building a strong group that can unite with other strong groups when the time is right.
Political power is not something that can be given with a vote in this world, it must be taken by strength. And in the face of the strength of billionaires, our only chance is solidarity and the strength of a united resistance.
So when time comes to take things by strength wha is that actually going to look like?
General strikes, mass persistent protests, and other targeted non-violent actions. Mass movements that have actual commitment behind them are more effective.
But also, the state will never hesitate to use violence, so it is the right of citizens to self-defense. The Black Panthers were very effective at preventing police violence by patrolling their neighborhoods and providing an armed citizenry presence during police interactions. (That’s why Reagan made it illegal to open carry in California.) We need similar militias who can provide deterrence to ICE violence now.
Will there be learning when one of these dickheads has a bullet in their fucking head or gets disappeared?
but
Does ICE care or have compassion?
Yeah advocating for violence while making a call to compassion is certainly a strategy. fafo litteraly. I dont know in what universe you were where you dont have to comply with law enforcement and you can even making online threat but the call back to reality gonna be brutal
Wondering aloud if a group of people will reflect when something that is very likely to happen eventually does happen is not advocating for violence, it’s merely considering a position. Somewhere you assume somebody didn’t comply (who? And with what?), and then misinterpret the text itself… sigh. Don’t be part of the problem, learn to read and process information. The ignorance is leading to the body count, c’mon
If law enforcement tells you to do something that either endangers your life, the life of someone else, og is against the law, should you comply? Not complying with law enforcement isn’t necesarily a bad thing.
To bring up Nazi Germany: Should everyone just comply and send jews, lgbt+, the handicapped, the socialists etc to death camps because law enforcement said so? No right? The ones who faught back are the ones we still celebrate today, not the ones who just did what they were told.
Edit to add. Violence against facsism is the morally right thing. They want to kill people who can’t defend themselves? Then they themselves deserve death. It’s simple self defence.
If law enforcement tells you to do something that either endangers your life, the life of someone else, og is against the law, should you comply? Not complying with law enforcement isn’t necesarily a bad thing.
wich wasnt the case so i dont know why you bring that point.
Should everyone just comply and send jews, lgbt+, the handicapped, the socialists etc to death camps because law enforcement said so?
What are you trying to compare the eradication of any minorities to the deportation of illegal allien ? is that what we’r doing here ? wanna be sure. You are utterly stupid to think that and even dumber for having say it.
Violence against facsism is the morally right thing.
Yeah i saw that argument when a politcal commentator that was against violence got shot. Idk if you are either young or not really into thoses subject but dont be a fool and put yourself in danger cause 3 tik tok video convice you it was the moraly right thing to do.
How else do you interpret what he says other than that he’s threatening to kill her, since that’s what’s been happening the last couple of days, one woman is dead and two people are injured. We all know about qualified immunity, but are police and ice agents actually allowed to threaten to murder people? Are there no exceptions to qualified immunity when it comes to threatening to kill people?
It’s a plain death threat. What I wouldn’t give to have all the internal memos that are no doubt cheering on the bloodshed to be leaked.
I wonder if it’d be prudent to buy our own body cams for interactions like these?
ICE has killed much more than one person. The only reason she’s getting so much widespread attention is because she’s a blonde, white, conventionally attractive citizen.
Not to minimize her death though, everyone is right to be outraged. I just want to point out that their other victims also deserve to be remembered.
I didn’t know what she looked like at first, from the videos I saw. I think that’s true for most people. The reason for the outrage is that they killed a person, in the middle of the day, in the open, while being recorded, without them doing anything violent. There have been many more deaths, but nothing this obviously and visibly wrong. Yes, the other victims deserve to be remembered, but this one was different, besides her being a white woman.
It’s also getting so much attention because it was on video and fucking insane. If she wasn’t trying to drive away and it was a more common scenario like she was getting physical with him or something, it would hit differently. She wasn’t an immigrant (meaning why is this asshole even talking to her? They operate on fully racist criteria so it’s not like he was talking to her in order to do his shitty job) AND she was trying to get away. Not saying her being white has nothing to do with this getting so much attention but the other specifics are most of it imo.
yes, “she was a pretty white blonde” I think is missing that there are 2 videos that clearly show the murder.
I do think the fact she was a white women did hit the 'holy-shit-this-could-happen-to-me" button for alot of people.
Yeah I agree with both points. When George Floyd was murdered, society didn’t get less racist overnight. People were so pissed because we saw it happen. Anyone can say whatever they want to the contrary, but we are a visual species, and seeing someone murdered is far more emotionally impactful than hearing about it
meaning why is this asshole even talking to her? They operate on fully racist criteria so it’s not like he was talking to her in order to do his shitty job
She was impeding traffic, that’s what started it all.
Vehicles were able to get around her moving slowly, but she parked perpendicular to traffic in the middle of the road.
Edit: I’m just going to edit this post here with this note and adding the quote above because things are ridiculous below. You block/impede the road, law enforcement is going to initiate contact. ICE, traffic cop, whatever. They initiated contact. Whatever the fuck happens after is another story, but OP’s “why is this asshole even talking to her” is a dead fucking simple answer. She was impeding traffic on the roadway, and they were there. If you all can’t understand that, or want to downvote me to oblivion because you can’t understand that, whatever go ahead.
edi2t: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_v._Royer is what would allow them to talk to her and initiate contact. Its everything that happened after that is the issue. She was not detained (from what I can tell), or being forced to do anything until the 2nd ICE vehicle arrived which seems to be a good 30 seconds later. The escalation happened after the arrival of the 2nd vehicle, and was initiated by the ICE agents in the 2nd vehicle.
Is it ICE’s job to enforce local traffic laws?
Oh, that’s right, no.
They have no legal basis to police that.
Proper procedure would have been to call in the actual relevant local police.
As with the entire rest of everything they are doing, ICE has no legal authority to just conduct … any kind of general traffic policing.
If this ever gets a fair court hearing, everyone involved in this is going to prison for 20 years minimum… even cops have to be able to actually legally defend why they pulled someone over or stopped them, and ICE has no authority to generally do this.
https://borderlessmag.org/2025/09/30/ice-know-your-rights-vehicle-stop-immigration-resources/
ICE functions as a federal law enforcement agency with specific authority to enforce U.S. immigration laws within the country’s interior. Unlike local police officers, federal immigration agents cannot conduct stops based solely on traffic violations.
“They don’t get to just go about stopping and demanding answers of whoever they happen to run across,” said César Cuauhtémoc García Hernández, law professor at Ohio State University.
You’re getting downvoted to hell on this because you are factually wrong.
They have a legal basis if they are being impeded from their work. Impeded does not mean stopped.
No They Don’t.
You are fucking wrong.
Further… they were not actually impeded.
Their vehicles, the size of her vehicle, where and how it was positioned in the road?
They could have driven around her.
Instead, they pulled up, dismounted, and surrounded her, tried to remove her from the vehicle.
They have no authority to do that to just anyone who happens to be parked badly.
ICE can only act to inhibit a person not immediately related to the specific warrant they are actively carrying out if said person is clearly, knowingly, intentionally inhibiting the execution of that specific warrant.
That’s obstruction of justice, which they can actually arrest/detain someone for.
That is not what occured here.
Being annoying toward ICE, swearing at them, flipping them off, filming them, having a badly parked car in the middle of the road…
None of that rises to obstruction of justice.
There is no valid legal authority by which any Federal LEO can do what those degenerate murderous filth just did.
Again, you are fucking wrong.
The guy you’re replying to is a fucking idiot. He keeps claiming I accused him of saying something because I asked him if he did. And the only reason I asked is because of his shitty wording that seemed to imply she got what she deserved.
Are you suggesting her murder is her fault?
No, I’m saying you were flat out wrong in your assertion that she did nothing to be approached by law enforcement officers.
why is this asshole even talking to her? They operate on fully racist criteria so it’s not like he was talking to her in order to do his shitty job
Take you pitchfork elsewhere and at least know WTF you’re talking about.
Not even what I said but thanks for the fascist take
Hey man, you go ahead and park your car like she did somewhere populated and see how long until a cop comes to talk to you.
You’re an idiot if you think thats a fascist take.
Hope you remember these words when the leopards eat your face and it’s your family being killed or thrown into Concentration Camps to be raped or enslaved. I hope you remember your boot licking got them killed.
And she had their siren, then?
I think what also separates her death is, specifically, she was executed in braid daylight with multiple cameras on it.
The other people ICE has killed have generally been less recorded.
Although, the lady those assholes rammed into and shot 5 times should have alone lead to the total abolition of ICE.
It was also all recorded. I doubt it’d be anywhere near as big if it hadn’t been.
Of course we should mourn all those killed by ICE. Next pres should set up a memorial for them in DC.
I think being white is part of it for sure, but probably more that she is a US citizen murderd in broad daylight and it was caught on camera vs their usual behind closed doors murders of immigrants. I’m sure I’m wrong, but I havent heard of any other US citizens being murdered by ICE.
He’s at minimum suggesting that if you’re seen as impeding them in any way, bad things will happen to you.
Which is literally the exact attitude that leads to this continuing and continuing to get worse. Fucking horrendous attitude for someone with authority to have. But that field attracts people who hold attitudes like that, and it’s why no one should ever trust the police.
I’m not going to dox myself but I had some really horrible shit happen to people in my life due to a cop. He recently tried to “make amends” by acting like it never happened and he admitted his dad was a “dirty cop”. Which I took as a sign that he was really talking about himself. He used his power as a LEO to fuck lives up. And I despise him for it. I do not think that’s atypical at all.
They’re a paramilitary force beholden only to the Donald Trump. They are very literally akin to the SA. No they are not beholden to any laws. They are only beholden to Trump.
Less shouting, more shooting. There are only two good endings for cops - dead or resigned.
We need a new version of the Black Panthers to remind them that guns are everywhere. Some sort of, I dunno, anti fascism coalition or something
The Black Panthers still exist and are still recruiting.
Or in jail.
Cops run the jails, mate, that’s not a good ending.
While the most popular remedy is purgatory (time off with full pay). I do draw the line between cops and ICE, even though there may be some overlap.
You are mistaken to draw that line. Cops support ICE. They are all on the same side.
You may be right but I see it more as an overlap than an all or nothing scenario.
It is all or nothing. I’ve been trying to drill this into the skulls of liberals and leftists for the better part of a decade and it’s still barely getting through. There is a reason we say ACAB. ALL cops are bastards.
The police are our enemies. They protect and serve the ruling class. They will turn on us without hesitation. I am literally begging you to wake up and realize this basic truth.
Nope. Cannot buy into that “all or nothing” scenario at all. I do agree that rich people will hire dirty thugs to protect the things they own. I think the main issue is rich people running things, not communities. I agree with your basic truth about violence ruling the world, not democracy though.
I do agree that rich people will hire dirty thugs to protect the things they own.
They already did, they’re called the police!
I’ve learned that when Trump’s goon squad murders citizens the only ones allowed to investigate it are Trump’s police force, meaning that there will be no consequences forthcoming from the government, making the government illegitimate. That limits the public’s recourse to vigilante justice and full scale rebellion if we want to be free
Violent rebellion is almost definitely the only way we escape from this hell
The right has made it extremely clear that they are not in it for actual civility, or creating a coherent society. The right are here because they want to torture and hurt others, they want to rape and murder and torment freely without punishment, because they’re deranged, demented sadists.
You CANNOT civilize with that kind of person, no amount of talking is going to convince them to sit down and think about principle.
That is my big reason for wanting to fight in a civil war: I don’t want these willfully evil people to be my neighbors for the rest of my life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_boxes_of_liberty
They’ve made the ballot useless but a .45 ACP still works just fine, I wish we weren’t but that’s where we are.
Not true. That’s not how jurisdiction works. They are lying.
Who is lying, the FBI is literally not letting state authorities investigate
How long until the reprisal killings start?
Not sure but I hope cameras are rolling when the first one gets domed.
God damn Gestapo
I wouldn’t vote to convict her if she’d killed him. Clearly would have been self-defense.
Anybody who shoots a Republican or ICE will always have me voting “Not Guilty” as it’s a clear case of Self Defense to me. I will hang that jury til I’m removed or they vote my way.
And no I do not care in what circumstances a Republican’s or ICE terrorist’s life comes to end, even if that means they were sleeping in bed when their home or hotel burned down. Melt 'em.
If you spend your days making sure someone else doesn’t go home safe to their family, then you don’t deserve it either.
Hey man, I might be an idiot right now, but your intent is unclear to me. You mind extrapolating on that so I and others don’t get the wrong idea?
Majority of the time cops (or whatever these fucking goons are) use wildly excessive force and murder people or pets the excuse is always the boilerplate “I feared for my life.” Every cop tv show emphasizes the importance of “coming home safe no matter what.”
What I’m saying is, if someone spends all day ruining other people’s lives then blockade the door before setting the house on fire and I vote not guilty.
Awesome, thank you for the clarity. I was hoping that was what you were getting at. Very much agreed. Stay safe, friend.
ACAB and stay hoopy 👍
Self decensing ICE is praxis.
does anyone know self hosted video recording software? so if you record the cops, and they take or break your phone, the footage is on a nas?
First thing that comes to mind is to host your own jitsi server and record to that. I may just give it a go now.
There used to be an ACLU app for 16 states that immediately sent the video the yourself and ACLU whenever it stopped recording.
Well for now until they disable the Internet you could just start live streaming. There is the one app designed for police encounters that connects you to a lawyer but it’s a subscription and IDK what they can do about ICE, Attorney Shield.
The ACLU used to have a “Mobile Justice” app that automatically uploaded video, but they discontinued it at the beginning of last year for some reason.
yeah this is what i want to replicate.
I use syncthing for this exact purpose. Its p2p, so it requires no hosting experience, and can sync to any number of private or public devices. Just sync your main camera folder to any (ideally always-on) PC, laptop, a secondary phone or your friends/families devices.
mp4 files generally get corrupted if the recording isnt properly ended, so i have my camera app set up so that it starts a new file every minute or so. That way even if my phone is destroyed/snatched, the last clip that makes it to safety is pretty recent.
Syncthing website - https://syncthing.net/
Syncthing Android App - https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.github.catfriend1.syncthingfork/
OpenCamera - https://f-droid.org/en/packages/net.sourceforge.opencamera/Doesn’t Syncthing have to be on the same network?
No it does not, otherwise i wouldnt have recommended it. There are public discovery servers hosted by syncthing and community members that handle the initial contact.
https://docs.syncthing.net/users/stdiscosrv.html
It works completely seemlessly over the imternet.
Ah neat, thanks. I’ve been using it on my home network but haven’t tried the public discovery stuff as of yet.
There really isnt anything different about using it over the internet. Just exchange QR code or device ID once and from then on they automatically find each other as if they were on the same LAN. Takes a few seconds longer to connect than over LAN ofc.
Tailscale should get you over that hurdle I would think.
I’d like to have this for my home PC, but I also don’t want it to be always on. Creating a home server is one of those bucket list items I have for when I can get a dedicated device for it…
I just use an old phone with either a big SD card or an external SSD connected over USB. Uses ~1W and takes up very little space.
A lot of phones will automatically upload your photos and videos to a cloud account. Example:
https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/sync-photos-videos-icloud-iph961b96c4d/ios
Does nothing for a phone that gets snatched mid-recording though
If the cell connection and/or WiFi is active, it uploads. If you’ve disconnected your cell connection because you’re at a protest, maybe. 🤷♂️
So you’re telling me that if someone breaks your phone during a video recording or stop and delete the recording, they can just find this video on their cloud service? I genuinely didn’t know.
Depends on how damaged the phone is after stopping the recording. Modern phones are fairly tough. Stepping on it might break the screen, but the inner workings would likely still function for example. Simply knocking it out of someone’s hand isn’t going to have any effect at all.
I think the ACLU, EFF, and some other orgs also have apps that similarly automatically upload footage, but regrettably I don’t have any links.
Stream live to (insert platform here)
Kill every one of them.
Naah… Find out who they are. Name and shame them to their famlies. Their kids, esp. if they have any, will be mortified.
Schwarzenegger pointed out how his father’s generation were broken and ruined in the 50’s - all those Austrian men that blindly capitulated to the Germans and then ate themselves alive in guilt and shame decades later.
Death is easy.
A lifetime of misery, guilt and abuse of one’s kids and spouse leaves a longer, better generational impression.
Ask yourself why so many Millennials and Gen Z are supportive of this horseshit, and I’ll tell you of cohorts of people that have not confronted the misery of the political views they think are cool. Not a lot of survivors of the NAZI atrocities left today. God knows, I knew many as a child of the 70’s.
I want these modern brownshirts to emotionally suffer and be abusive drunks that their wives divorce and their kids hate.
Schwarzenegger pointed out how his father’s generation were broken and ruined in the 50’s - all those Austrian men that blindly capitulated to the Germans and then ate themselves alive in guilt and shame decades later.
Yeah, they were broken and ruined because the combined militaries of primarily the Soviet Union, United States and United Kingdom murdered millions of Nazis.
They lost.
Because they died.
Because we killed them.
The ones who survived were of course broken, because their former death cult had been (with some glaring, notable exceptions) dismantled with extreme prejudice and violence, and a lot of collateral damage, making the idea of German national/ethnic supremacy into a two time loser within a single life time.
They were beaten into submission and brokenness.
Forgetting that, just assuming the same result happens without that, is about as stupid as US Boomers not realizing that the reason they grew up in a golden age was because WW2 had destroyed so much of the industrial capacity of the developed world that it just left the US as the de facto manufacturing hub of the capitalist world.
You also fundamentally miscalculate that condemning them to living miserable, emasculated, forlorn lives should be enough as punishment.
No!
Those are precisely the conditions that give rise to fascism, within a decaying capitalist system.
Fascism is what happens when you have too many of such people, and you don’t provide them with an actually improving society.
Your “solution” is to just reset the timer, untill enough of those pissed off failed AmeriNazis decide to try again.
Fascism only understands force.
You have to beat them to death, or at the very least, into terrified, maimed, castrated irrelevance.
…as stupid as US Boomers not realizing that the reason they grew up in a golden age was because WW2 had destroyed so much of the industrial capacity of the developed world that it just left the US as the de facto manufacturing hub of the capitalist world.
Yaah, dude… from the Department of No Shit Sherlock, tell me something I don’t know.
FYI, I’m a boomer and yeah, pretty much everyone in my generation understands this. Lots of “…the US is the only ‘developed’ country not to be bombed to rubble…” lessons. That tangentally played into why by the mid to late 70’s American industry was still rolling in clapped out, tired inefficient factories and industry jumped at the chance, starting in the mid-80,'s to offshore, instead of rebuilding new. (the rest is history)
Gen X knows this as well. God knows, it was drilled into our heads all through the 60’s and 70’s. We fucking got it, so let’s not hear about the things we actually wintessed and lived through from someone that only knows of it from online media and books. Deal?
There’s no resetting the timer here… This is a New Generation of AmeriKKKans, raised in an already emasculated, wussified culture that gave men the heave-ho in the decades before most of them were born.
I get it, you’re angry and rightly pissed off but that rage won’t do fuck all if it’s not aimed squarely where it needs to be, at the industries and politiicans complicit in enabling this shit.
As it stands now, aparently the Minneapolis shooter was a local neighborhood resident to where the shooting happened, who’s already skipped town with his immigrant Phillipina wife. (Even JD Vance has got an immigrant, brown-skinned Indian wife, FFS)
This isn’t NAZI Germany it IS inherently an immigrant country, so there’s going to be a ton of people with spouses that aren’t the same race/religion/skin tone as they are and this is where the soul searching and arguments with their partners will come in.
Once The shitshow in Washington folds and Donny croaks or gets so blatantly off the rails with his dementia, I expect a ton of heads will roll when the political winds change direction. A few more dead white soccer moms and maybe a little kid in the backseat of a car gets hit and and it’ll really set DC on fire.
I’m ALL for watching the misery of persnal hells unfold over years.
Revenge is best served cold.
Hey I just picked a random example, glad you’re aware of it, almost every Boomer I’ve ever met, and half the Gen Xers… don’t know that.
I know this is lemmy here, and we’re vastly tilted to the left compared to meat space and even most niche online spaces…
But uh, no, I’m not going to apologize for the persistent and consistent gaslighting and abuse I have recieved my entire life for pointing out what I just pointed out.
And also, you’re wrong about my rage.
In times that call for decisive action?
Anger is gift.
And yes, of course, the politicians who actually directly command or enable this bare the lionsshare of culpability.
But uh… lets not do anything rash is how we fucking got here, to this moment.
I’m not gonna default to giving any respect to anyone who hasn’t personally earned it from me.
Your generation voted for this.
Sure maybe you personally didn’t, but you’re from a generation of spoiled narcissist cowards, who had the capability to not get us here, to where we are now, to not gloat about your affordable, price appreciating homes the whole fucking time.
You have no idea how much rage I have at a Boomer who is anything other than apologizing to me for fucking up this country, and this entire fucking planet.
You say heads are gonna roll when this all blows over.
I presume you mean that metaphorically.
It needs to happen literally.
And for it to happen literally, well, it’ll be people like me doing the cutting, or younger generations.
And if it only happens metaphorically, it will again be people my age amd younger doing the impossibly hard work of unfucking this fuckup.
You’re all for watching this unfold on a TV or computer screen over your last decade, maybe two on this planet, because you have some kind stable home, housing situation of some kind, from which you imagine you can do that.
… the last time I knew that, some Boomers decided to kick me out because “that’s just how it works.” Been almost 20 years since then, think I’ve changed addresses at least 10 times, maybe actually up to 20, if you count the homeless spell I fairly recently barely survived.
The dead soccer moms you’re waiting for more of?
Yeahp, those’d be dead soccer moms that are roughly my age.
… I’ve got a good number more decades left on this beautiful and calamitous rock than you, and its basically a miracle that I am even alive at all at this point, given the massive generational disadvantage I’ve had at securing a job, career, financial footing, the number of times I’ve had my life trajectory fucked up by correctly pointing out to some Boomer something they were and are objectively wrong about.
Doesn’t matter that I’m doing so in a constructive way to try to help them with something I have subject matter expertise on, that they’re often paying me to do.
No, their fragile egos are more important than my life, than the lives of all those younger, all those yo come in the climate apocalypse hell-future, that’s been made exceedingly clear to me.
No, no fucking deal.
I don’t trust you.
Prove you can actually sacrifice something costly and meaningful to you, in service of an ideal, not yourself or immediate family or kin, and then maybe I’ll take you more seriously than Abe Simpson in a retirement home blathering on about onions.
As for some shit you didn’t know, ‘Sherlock’:
… there are tens of millions of younger Americans that feel this way about Boomers, I’m just one of the few who had enough of that classic Boomer self-righteousness rub off on me that I can reciprocate it in kind.
But uh… lets not do anything rash is how we fucking got here, to this moment.
Uhh… nope. We got here because too many people in every generation born since 1955 have been thrust into poverty stagnant wages and broken promises. This is pure rage at the classism couched with racism that we’ve been held down with. This is the despair of countless people in the poor corners of the country who’ve lost their jobs, their dignty and any chance of getting ahead.
This is the end stage of capitalism that’s now all-but consumed the remains of the middle class, and is soon to be heading for those who think they’re not gonna be served up next to the imminent trillionaire class.
It needs to happen literally.
You won’t survive the slaughter. Few agitating for it really ever do. You think soccer moms in grocery getters being murdered in broad daylight by government agents is something new? They were college students roughly “my age” when National Guardsmen shot up Kent State. 4 dead. Even further back to the mid-60’s the Watts riots in LA saw 34 dead.
For all that rage you have, you likely won’t do shit, otherwise “shit” would have happend 6 decades ago. Boomers tried and failed and saw all their progressive heroes killed for the effort. JFK, MLK, Malcolm X… That one will come around again.
Charlie Kirk a hero? (not to you I would assume) I dunno. You tell me. Listened to him once or twice and wasn’t impressed. Seemed like he was regurgitating Rush Limbaugh’s early work. Eh, not the right “side” anyhow.
You’re all for watching this unfold on a TV or computer screen over your last decade, maybe two on this planet, because you have some kind stable home, housing situation of some kind, from which you imagine you can do that.
Okay. Yeah… right.
Uhhh, nope. Don’t own a home. Rent an apartment. Saw my rent go up over 200 bucks this month. Charming. No lease. Tenants at will. Best we could find, so I suck it up even as I’m getting fewer and fewer jobs coming my way now that ageism is biting my ass. (Just wait until it hits you… fuck…)
Haven’t earned more than 32k in a single year. Ever. Spouse spent decades as a sous chef making less than 25k. No kids. No new car. Scant savings.
No TV (haven’t had cable TV since 1999 when it got too expensive. Had to make a choice between internet or TV and TV lost. Wasn’t a part of my childhood diet as I grew up homeless in California in the 70’s. Mom and I lived in a VW bus. Know being worried about where you’re gonna sleep next… Had a fractured education. In 12 years I went to 12 schools on two coasts in 6 states… so yeah. Know the homeless thing well. Sorry you had to experience it also.)
Graduated at 17 with honors and no opportunity or anyone to help me go to college. Was living with dad and the step-mom from hell the last year of school, and I burned out of there a few weeks after I graduated. I got a job in a shoe factory making $2.85 an hour. Sofa surfed with a friend for the first three months and hitch hiked for a year until I saved up 500 bucks for my first car. Moved often and in fact once I was married and we’d been in the same apartment for 5 years… it was the longest I’d ever been in one place in my life.
That’s a weird feeling, to be sure.
But here’s the thing you’re missing in this.
I don’t make any stereotypical assumption about a single person younger than me. Can you say the same about those older?
I know that growing up as a turnkey welfare child, what I’ve experienced is what is coming down the pike for what used to be the middle class.
Watched this unfold over decades.
Trump is a fascist. Reagan was a fascist as well and he set in motion the economic nightmare of deregulation that allowed for the assole we’ve currently got infesting the White House.
Did my fair share of raging at the injustice and protested for women’s rights (NARAL), picketed for union wages (Stint as a IATSE stagehand for 5 years… AFL-CIO), joined political action for gay rights (ACT-Up in Boston - they were off their tits, fun AND scary!) and canvassed for environmental action (door to door with the League of Conservation Voters for years). But by all means, be my guest and throw down some stereotypes about what I have done that doesn’t meet your approval…
Dude, I don’t even assume that the majority of my own generation are in much different shape than me anymore, as other than the really rich older affluent folks (like “old money”) I’ve worked for as a housepainter/decorator on and off since 1980… the reality I’ve found is MOST of the people that have hired me since 2000 who have been in the nicer, more expensive homes are younger than me. Gen X and Millennials. (Right now, apparently Millennals have more investment wealth than boomers. So… take of that what you will.)
I’m not gonna own a home… I know that. Poor people don’t get that luxury… demographics about generations aside, that is a reality for the “lower” classes.
Welcome to my world.
Friend, my entire life has been a general strike against consumerism. (I don’t even carry a credit card… I do not have bad credit… Fuck that shit. Credit is a 6-letter word for debt. I have NO credit.)
What I find is pissing people like yourself off the most is that you’ve probably been told the SAME lies. Work hard and that merit will pay off… You’ll be rewarded with the nice house and the secure job… sure. Yeah… you bet.
The reality is, it’s Classism 101: As long as you try to stay in that consumerist, conforminst pot, pining for the materialist middle-class yupwardly mobile lifestyle… billionaires are gonna boil you like the frog you are.
Leave the pepe shit for the MAGA chuds who’re festering in the same rage you are.
That’s what Trump leveraged to get elected on, and why we’re here.
That doesn’t sound very much like apologizing, it sounds like avoiding accountability, using the vocabulary of concepts that I am certainly more well educated in than you are.
Wow!
A Boomer being patronizing?!
I never would have guessed!
But oh! Oh!
Its stereotyping when I say most Boomers are spoiled narcissist cowards!
Well you got two outta three of those, congrats on most likely being white trash like myself.
I’m not missing anything here, all the shit you just Boomer-splained to me? I figured it out 20 years ago, and have been loudly saying as much since.
… I’ve already done more shit than you can apparently imagine I ever would, from squaring up against rioting cops in the street to managing the data side of the largest system of shelters in a major West Coast city, to being a part of so many different protests I can’t even keep em straight.
“Welcome to my world.”
Yeah, no shit, we’re both white trash but you act like its personally yours, somehow.
You have no credit? No debt? Positive net worth?
Oh cool, so, unlike at least a quarter of the current population, heavily skewed toward younger folks of course… you lived a life a life where that was possible to do!
How nice that is for you.
Kindly fuck off and never speak to me again.
… and never, ever refer to me as dude or friend.
You wouldn’t know how to ally with anything in a meaningful, productive, pleasant way.
You couldn’t even momentarily sacrifice your pride to attempt to connect with me, someone you’re ostensibly trying to ally with.
No, instead you figure you know better, you’re the default authority figure, you just try to out self-righteous me.
Wrong move.
You don’t fucking get it.
People like me demand just a basic level respect and people like you aren’t capable of giving even an iota of it.
Because you can’t allow or abide your ego to be ever challenged, even slightly, in any way.
Utterly untrustworthy, demonstrated the opposite qualities of a potentially reliable team mate, friend, ally.
Just as useless as I figured you would be.
Where in amything that I’ve written did I make a single assumption about you as a person, or part of a generation?
You want me to kiss your ass and I’ve rightly remarked that you are angry, which I DO respect.
I understand that entirely.
However… I ain’t puckering up and kissing your winking starfish.
Sorry. Won’t do that to anyone. Ever…
What you may not be liking is that now that I can’t be held to some “wealthy older indulged fuck” standard because I’m in a shitty boat like you are, you pivot this to some disrespect thing… when it’s not about your generation, but you and the personal disrespect you seem to have of anyone older - as if having a longer time in a shit situation doing the SAME things - fighting for positive change - is somehow your duty and yours alone and negates anyone else’s?
Seriously?
Put away your martyr Mahatma…
Also, no “net worth” other than a decade old car, and to be honest, someone’s “net worth…” is a capitalist value standard of a system YOU believe in, not me. It absolutely CAN be done, I’m seeing more and more people your age are deciding it’s the best route forward to stay free of the hooks of indebtness. Just save what you can, live light on the earth, aim to rise above being consumed by rage and stay free of the pot. Instead of clambering for a general strike, aim to push a foundational change to the society… but not until you get the split level ranch with the 2-car garage?
That’s what I’m seeing, and when called out on it… well… here we are.
Boiled frogs indeed.
Hey, anyhow it’s a Sunday, be well, go out and have a wonderful day and take care.
Seems like Schwarzenegger’s father’s generation had shame.
These people, not so much. They will insist they were correct until they die.
Time will tell. People can change as they get older. It will be interesting to see what happens, that’s for sure.
Name and shame them to their famlies. Their kids, esp. if they have any, will be mortified.
Oh you sweet summer child…
Are we ignoring the fact that many of the J6-ers were turned in by their own families?
Not all, but enough that it matters.
Right? Even if their favorite tacos stand stopped serving them, they’d just send their battered wives.
They don’t have any shame. Have you not been paying attention?
How many Austrians had shame when they turned on their neighbors and got consumed by the Third Reich?
I’m talking about what happens when you age…
(you’ll understand it in time)
Ask me how I know.
I think we are of an age. I’ve seen it more times than I can count: young man who does evil shit gets eaten alive by it later, nothing but a husk left at the end, too cowardly to eat a gun and too full of self-loathing and unconfessed crimes to do anything but wish he could. There’s a reason retired cops commit suicide at a very high rate, and I don’t think it has much to do with the boredom of unemployment.
You’re not wrong. But no one who hasn’t seen it for themselves through the arc of a lifetime, whose immediate experience is filled with visual proof of individuals who are seemingly incapable of shame, is likely to get it yet. Which is unfortunate because it’s a hell of a deterrent if you know that’s what happens after you do all your evil shit . . .
“Their kids, esp. if they have any, will be mortified.”
I’ll bet their kids are racist hateful shits and so is the wife.
Very likely. But if all of a sudden people from all over are constantly sending you hate, constantly talking about you… like you’re going to find it hard to find friends, find employment, especially if they have any social media which will just get flooded. If they’re grade shool level, it’ll take almost no time for everyone in the school to know who they are.
And how many innocent American and Immigrant lives lost for embarrassment to set in? Does it ease your conscience to have innocent blood on your hands while you standby and wait for embarrassment to set in? Just so you don’t have to get them dirty with a demon’s blood?
Doesn’t seem like a good trade to me. Between the two, I much rather have demon’s blood on my hands, than further innocent blood due to inaction.
And how many innocent American and Immigrant lives lost for embarrassment to set in?
Fucking what? Sorry, did you just imply that we should just kill kids because they might be racist? That someone who’s racist just automatically implies they’re out there slaughtering people?
Man I swear I didn’t see your last sentence there, I thought you were talking about adults.
And yes racists are out to demean, harm, and slaughter others they look down upon. Whether that’s denials of services, intimidation or an ol’ fashion truck dragging. Or I guess these days dressing up like a terrorist and going door to door. Why are you pretending otherwise?
I think you’re making a big mistake in thinking you can embarrass fascists into changing their behaviour.
Their leader is a child rapist, con artist, psychopathic serial liar racist who robs children’s charities. This is their LEADER. This thing represents them and their aspirations. They wear logo clothing, decals on vehicles and flags in windows.
Ya know, not to inject Godwin’s Law, but in the 1940’s there was a specific leader a bunch of folks looked up to. Adults and children alike. They wore clothing and decals. The said leader killed a whole bunch of people. That country learned and took the lesson very seriously.
I think that is changing, albeit slowly. I have an avid Alex Jones-listening co-worker and he’s now very, very, unhappy with the whole Epstein stuff coming out, the tax code changes and permanent breaks for the bilionaires and the H2B visa worker prefereces Trump has (oh that last one pissed him off mightily, called Trump a bilionaire classist, which it honestly shocked me to hear coming from his lips…)
For years before the election, my Trump warnings were all “lies” from the left and now that more people around Trump are distacing themselves as Triump’s instability and corruption take hold… it’s changing…
I used to constantly hear that I had TDS for not liking Trump…
Recently, I flipped that back on co-worker and told him he had Trump Delusion Syndrome, in that he actually believed Trump was looking out for working people and cared about stopping child abuse…(He was certain Trump was gonna release the Epstein Files like he promised that he’d do once he became President… Gonna expose all those baby-eating, child-fucker Demon-rats after all… right? Nope. Covered his own pedo ass is what Trump did.)
Got nothing back in return, but a half-hearted grumble so that told me right there that more than a few pennies dropped.
No more Trump banners or those tattered flag 1776 stickers on his truck. It’s all gone. No more MAGA hat.
It’s changing… slowly with some. I dont attack, but offer even MORE ugly truths about things that weren’t even on co-worker’s radar.
Ultimately, it starts with individuals and I’m having SO much fun gently poking holes in that Trumpist idolatry in the MAGA folks in my orbit.
Lets hope its not too little too late.
The Sicilian in me has other ideas of what to do to their families.
No man should be beholden to their father’s crimes. Fuck that attitude.
That’s not what they said. No where did it say you should arrest their kids. They said they should make their kids aware of their actions so they look down on their parents actions.
(But jail for the parents would also make their kids aware of their actions usually)
You’re right, I misread it as others should be mistreating their children.
But the children and wives will suffer for his living. He will abuse them to assuage his own grief and guilt. Better that he dies and and is forgotten. Not what he did, but the man, forgotten.
Asking strangers on the Internet to do your dirty work for you is gross. If you want it done, and if you want to defend you and yours, exercise your second amendment rights (assuming you are American), buy a rifle, a pistol, and a knife, and start training and practicing. Don’t go online and start asking others to kill, especially if it is only big talk, because you don’t know who’s reading.
That’s the best way of putting this sentiment, which I’ve been feeling for a while.
That’s like asking the state to kill your enemies. Do the deed yourself.
Seems like a threatening situation, dump a mag in his ass
“I had a reasonable fear for my life as an armed man was threatening me.”
NRA sponsored “judge”:
Is video working for you guys? Not for me
I see the video but have no audio.
@[email protected] linked it to me here
Yes it works for me on mobile.
