• LogicalFallacy@lemmy.zip
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        5 days ago

        I’ve got my plans, which are non-violent but disruptive. If I were in the position of the people in these videos and had a gun, I cannot say that I would walk away peacefully or alive.

        I currently don’t have a gun, so that stops me from committing violence to protect my community, but the times of peaceful opposition are winding thin.

        I will watch carefully the legal prosecution, or not, of this ICE agent, and what you post online to poke and prod will have no bearing on that outcome or the decision I make at those times, so shut the fuck up.

        What are you doing?

        Edit - And that’s the thing isn’t it? I’m supporting non-violent, disruptive behavior, and the administration and ICE are now clearly communicating that activity as a capital offense deserving of murder. You’re on that side? Miss me with that shit.

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        All fascists need to either stop being fascists or die. There is no middle ground with ideology that at the core seeks to exterminate entire groups of people. You aren’t born as a fascist, it’s an ideology you choose to support; these people are evil. If they won’t stop being evil, there is no other options than them being killed. It’s either them or an unimaginable number of people as their victims. There is no moral high ground here

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          In the end everyone wants to love and be loved. Most hatefull people like you or the facists you want to kill act out of fear of losing the things/people that they love. We could simply focus more ob what we want instead of what we don’t want.

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            Nah, I obviously don’t want to kill them, quite the opposite. I’d like nothing more than a peaceful world with no war or atrocities. But this is not an ideal world where we can hold hands and sing kumbaya to make the evil to go away, we have to defend what’s good or it is destroyed.

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              Ok so you fear to take responsability for your comments by saying that someone else should kill them. You see that this is no different from the ones you blame? You don’t need to be like them. You can do better.

              Is death really the only way you see? What can you do to make a difference?

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                Why are you putting words in my mouth? I will kill and likely die if the war ever comes to my doorstep and I have to. Would you have just let the nazis win ww2 then? There’s no point in both-siding when the choices are either evil or fighting against it. It’s pretty obvious which side any decent person will take

                Edit// To answer your edits; death is obviously not the only way I see - I said it in the first message already, they can always stop being fascist before it is too late. What we can do to make difference is stop fascists taking power in the first place. We can be better people, help our neighbors, pay taxes, support public healthcare and minimum wages, vote for people who don’t support fascism… But when the fascists are already taking over? There’s very few choices in those moments, since they will use violence once they believe they’ll win. It’s in the core of fascism itself

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                  Exactly. You can’t out-nice a group that doesn’t value nice. Tolerant societies cannot tolerate intolerance, the old paradox.

      • fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world
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        6 days ago

        With that logic we should be much more aware of the life of animals we kill on an industrial scale similar as the Holocaust. Just because of the taste (we do not need animal based nutrition).

        I’d argue the life of a peaceful cow is worth more than that of a hateful Nazi that wants people of certain mindset or skin-color dead or detained.

        So why should we care more about the life of nazis that want to make life for everyone (but Nazis) worse (also considering e.g. Climate-Change). We already have too many people, we don’t need scum around…