I don’t even know what else to add to this headline. This is so fucked up and tragic scary and infuriating and it will in no way slow the resistance.
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It was a straight up murder by a trigger happy cop who was told they are immune to any prosecution by the president of the united states.
ICE is going to start murdering thousands of us and none of them will be held accountable. It’s terrifying that ICE is a bunch of proud boys and fascists with a thirst for blood. We are all in trouble and all of us risk dying just going out to the store if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time.
The media is painting her as a criminal.
This is the beginning. Mass shooting of protesters will be next.
I’m glad I’m not American. The US is a failed country right now. Zero respect for human life. I never intended to visit it as a tourist, and now I know I won’t.
ICE says the woman, later identified as Renee Good, was shot in her car after attempting to ram into agents. Mayor Jacob Frey and Gov. Tim Walz are disputing ICE’s version of events.
Feel free to add your own interpretation of the video, intrepid MPR news reporter and stop repeating ICE’s bullshiat*t,
Heller said she heard ICE agents telling the driver, a woman, to “get out of here.”“She was trying to turn around, and the ICE agent was in front of her car, and he pulled out a gun and put it right in — like, his midriff was on her bumper — and he reached across the hood of the car and shot her in the face like three, four times,” Heller said.
Heller said it appeared the woman accelerated, and traveled about 100 feet before striking a utility pole and some other vehicles, and could be seen slumped over inside her car.
Horrifying
ICE is almost forcing citizens to carry guns wherever they go. Civil war could be back in play.
It’s almost like the president is a Russian asset installed to split the country
He absolutely is. It’s clear as day.
Psh if you believe that just because they wrote it in a book and have been caught doing it multiple times then you’re just an unfortunate victim of western propaganda.
/s if that wasn’t obvious
/s if that wasn’t obvious
On Lemmy, yes. On Facebook, not so much.
Idk I have accidentally stumbled into the wrong side of Lemmy where I was accused of being a liberal and banned for sharing Foundations of Geopolitics.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯Sounds like you wandered into ml
Unfortunately it was not, it was lefty memes on dbzer0.
Show of hands if you’ve ever been baselessly accused on Lemmy of being a liberal as if they go around beating up puppies.
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Which book?
I assume this one.
That’s the one!
One of the Michael Wolf ones maybe?
“Every bad thing that ever happens in my utopian slave state is because of Russia. There is no way, that an american will ever do something against our most beautiful country without being a foreign asset.”
Moscow Mitch McConnell… tulsi gabbard repeated Russian propaganda so much she got out in charge of handling it.
While I do agree that the US did this to themselves, it is still obvious that Russia fully supports useful idiots in every country around the globe, to split and weaken the countries. In the US, it was Trump, in Germany it’s the AfD. It is interesting to me that it’s almost exclusively Nazis that betray their own contries because they love their ssugar daddy Putin so much.
Yea it’s not well documented and incredibly obvious at this point, going back 15+ years. There’s no paper trails to follow or video evidence or military analysis on the topic at all. Totally made up. Comrade
Yeah, it’s almost like that…
I don’t think I can blame Russia. It feels so American made. It feels like American culture. American culture was fucked before trump. It seems more like america fed running a coup to help put modern surveillance in place.
…and the surveillance is basically already their but tasked by 3rd parties… And the government wants to officially put it in place… But the people wouldn’t allow it… So they resort to this.
Guns only work if you use them
To date, Americans still seem unwilling to fight back in a militant sense
I mean…yeah. Regular people will do whatever they can to put off or avoid having to become murderers, regardless of where they live. Even if the murder would be justified; regular, normal people just don’t want to become killers.
Obviously something needs to be done (or, more accurately, many things should have been done decades ago to prevent all of this cruel nonsense, but alas). Asking and expecting average people to kill just because it is the easiest way to envision out of this…that’s just not reasonable. Besides the social and emotional ask of it being monumental on its own, it would also be met with the greatest military force in world history, anyway.
Many US citizens refuse to respond with militant might for the same reasons other world powers are refusing to intervene with the same: the violence it will spark will kill way, way more innocent souls than what is currently happening. Many of which will die horrific, torturous deaths en masse. Entire cities left as smoking husks. Families erased from the gene pool. Terrors and horrors unimaginable would become the norm, as is always the case with war.
I can very much understand the frustration that stirs this line of thought, just as well as I can empathize with those being asked to pursue it. We all want this to be done with and we all want a simple, direct solution. There are very good and rational reasons to not provoke the US military, however. For foreign and domestic parties, alike.
Tbc, I dont know the most appropriate solution either, but asking regular people to become murderers because it seems easy/possible from the outside…that’s just not a realistic ask for many of the same reasons that no world military is going to invade the US mainland anytime soon. Not without a whole lot of pain and suffering first befalling those average folks, at least. Enough people here have to agree that there is nowhere left to run before the regular joe can be overcome by the killer within, and that is a reasonable and usual response to these sorts of things, all over the world.
And sorry for ranting on it. I am a pacifist, so the regularity and casualness of people telling me I should nut up and kill a politician is very disturbing to me on many levels. Again, I can understand the sentiment. I just can not sit with it morally, philosophically, or even on the terms of basic reasoning. The response would be overwhelming and truly devastating. I dont think further violence has ever really fixed this problem and I dont believe that’s going to magically change now.
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am a passificst, so the regularity and casualness of people telling me I should nut up and kill a politician is very disturbing to me on many levels.
I don’t think pacifists should be arming up and shooting anyone. I think people who cling to their guns and talk about fighting for freedom need to nut up or shut up (and I’m fine with the latter, just shut up already).
I dont think further violence has ever really fixed this problem and I dont believe that’s going to magically change now.
I think this is naive. Violence is an incredibly effective tool at degrading organizational capacity, destroying institutional memory, and quelling public opposition.
When you’re dealing with ICE agents who can cavalierly execute civilians in public, I would love all three of those things to befall them, because I don’t want an organization with the capacity, the knowledge, and the public platform to execute my neighbors.
But insurgent violence comes with enormous personal risks, it requires professional training, and it rarely produces tangible results in a single lifetime (especially the lifetime of a militant insurgent). So I’m certainly not going to ask people to stick their necks out.
I just get tired of people posting TikToks in Camo Cosplay, pretending they’re part of some Last Line of Defense Against Tyranny. You’re bad liars. No serious person takes the 2nd amendment seriously as a political deterrent.
Violence is, absolutely, necessary at times. I dont disagree with that.
What I meant by that was that every time this sort of threat has been resolved by violence, it only sets the stage for future violence, because the true problem lies in the systems we use this violence to uphold. Those systems need addressing and reconfiguring if we ever want to see things like this become cultural relics. My phrasing could have admittedly been better, but I do not think it is naive to see the problem behind the problem.
The gun nuts do need to stfu about their hollow ideals though. I’d say we are in complete agreement on that note. If they were to actually ‘walk the walk’ however…I dread what that may usher in tbqh.
What I meant by that was that every time this sort of threat has been resolved by violence, it only sets the stage for future violence, because the true problem lies in the systems we use this violence to uphold.
The systems are the people. And when you kick out a lynchpin - be it MLK or Charlie Kirk - that system can fail.
The gun nuts do need to stfu about their hollow ideals though. I’d say we are in complete agreement on that note. If they were to actually ‘walk the walk’ however…I dread what that may usher in tbqh.
We’ve got people being rammed in their cars and shot gangland style through the windows.
Delta Force is snatching foreign presidents while the sitting president dismisses the need for next year’s local elections.
You can only waggle your finger saying “It could get even worse” so many times.
You are not wrong. Violence will again become a necessity, as has always been true thus far. Still tho, as bad as things are, a mishandling of the situation could very easily make things exponentially and explosively worse.
Again, I dont know what the proper fix is. But I do know that violence begets itself and as long as we remain in this cycle, it will only be a matter of time before our ways out of that abusive loop are razed entirely. That final revolution (“revolution” in the sense of this cycle of violence tbc) will most likely be coming someday and, with the US military being what it is and with who is currently leading it, that day’s coming could be very near. People are scared to act because all actions are met with reactions. Whether or not it is what you want to be true or to hear, it still could get a lot worse than it currently is, and throwing oil on fire is a great way to hasten that potential future.
Something needs to be done. I agree with that with every fiber of my being. I just dont see violence sparking further violence as the fix many of us hope it could be. Knowing what devastation the US military will check it with is not a hypothetical, a suggestion, or parody. It is a dire reality that ill-advised/ill-placed violence can and will usher in if allowed.
It’s a common saying in gun culture that the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. How do you stop a bad guy with more guns, missiles, and nukes than nearly all of the rest of the world combined? Good guys with guns can stand against that, but not for long and not in the “we are going to win this fight” sort of way either. They will be mowed down and turned to mush before they can even draw, if that is what the US military wants to happen.
I agree with your overall sentiment. I just cant find any reason to believe that what youre proposing will lead in the direction you are hoping it will, unless your hope is true and utter devastation.
Tbc, I dont know the most appropriate solution either
I general strike would be a good first step. It would be very painful and risky given how many folks live paycheck to paycheck and how we have almost no social safety net, but it’s safer and more realistic than everyone trying to go full Rambo or Red Dawn.
Remember at the start of COVID when we didn’t know how it spread and people were disinfecting their groceries and the feds and the bosses wanted everyone to keep working? It was only when the flight attendants threatened to strike and shut down air travel that they finally relented.
I have had an exhausting day and cant seem to conjure an appropriate response to this atm, but you have mustered some measure of glimmering hope within me. Or perhaps reminded me of somewhere I can look when I need it? Whatever lol
I wanted to offer my appreciation for that, so my honest thanks I offer to you. Thanks, internet person :)
Thank you for the kind thoughts. It’s been pretty rough lately. Try to keep your head up :)
Further proof the second amendment is not actually useful for preventing an oppressive government.
Just absurd to call it a “right” when nobody seriously believes the police will honor it. Less a civil liberty and more an excuse to ventilate your skull in a frenzied panic of gunfire.
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The civil war already started. We are currently losing badly.
One side is trying to convince themselves that we’re not in a civil war and just an election away from getting everything back to normal. We’ve been in a cold civil war for at least a decade and it’s getting hot.
Cars are weapons. And you get a slap on the wrist instead of years in jail.
If you kill a cyclist or minority pedestrian that is
While I agree, I don’t see how she would have been better off if carrying. In the end, if we all have guns, more of us are going to die than them. That said… I am thinking that getting a weapon if you can afford it, and afford to store it securely is a good idea.
They didn’t say “get out of here” they said “get out of the car. Get out of the fucking car”
Either way, they murdered her and will get away with it.
If the bystander misheard it, it’s possible the driver did as well
I’m certain the driver was panicking and unable to process clearly. The DRIVER is not supposed to be the trained professional in this situation.
I just like to ensure accuracy because the people who agree with the police will seize any error to show why we’re wrong and the media is biased and blah blah blah.
It’s also possible that they said “get out of here” just before the video started and then subsequently yelled “get out of the car”. I never heard anything but get out of the car in the video that’s making the rounds, but it’s definitely possible the witness heard it before the video starts. And if that’s the case, then they would’ve been giving conflicting orders, which I’ve seen happen in numerous encounters with police before.
Who murdered her? Some unnamed masked man?
Yeah, this is so fucked up.
Police surround your car and they are trying to get in and you want to leave?
American police are allowed to kill you.
You surround a police car and you make them feel unsafe and they want to leave?
American police are allowed to kill you.
The ICE shitbags are the neo-SS or NKVD, take your pick. Someday, Renee’s children will understand the tragedy and how the US politicians and business leaders failed the USA. Mango Fucknut Mussolini’s response is simply disgusting.
Meanwhile the administration only talks annexation of greenland (a USA ally). And no talks about revising or stop ICE untill this case has been solved, nothing. Just trump Saying his sorry.
Meanwhile trump posted this, disgusting. How deep the USA has sank, my god
The video evidence disputes the federal government’s version, I’m sure they’ll just say AI, and continue as if nothing happened
It’s abhorrent, but nothing will come from this.
While speaking at an unrelated press conference in Brownsville, Texas, Kristi Noem said today’s shooting in Minneapolis was provoked by an “act of domestic terrorism”.
The homeland security went on to say that the immigration agents on the scene were “attempting to push out their vehicle” due to the snow in the city. “The woman attacked them and those surrounding them and attempted to run them over and ram them with her vehicle. An officer of ours acted quickly and defensively shot to protect himself and the people around him,” Noem said.
This dumb bitch seems to think outright lying - when video shows a completely different story - is the way to go.
Using 1940s propaganda tactics when the internet exists
It’s working. Republicans/MAGA are totally okay with anyone that doesn’t like them being murdered. They’re all enemies and should be approached as though they’re dangerous.
MAGAts are a group of people you can fool all the time. Anyone else that isn’t getting a boner for murder is likely to be appalled.
and 2020s internet is a shocking direct parallel to the nazi mass media mechanism in the 1930s and 1940s.
Russia’s authoritarian playbook (which the current GOP administration is using) isn’t about lying in an articulate way. It’s about flooding the zone with excuses and lies such that the average person will choose to tune it out rather than to engage.
Can confirm. I’ve tuned it out. I can’t anymore. I’m sorry. I choose happiness. It’s pushing me further and further offline.
Offline? Good.
Complacent? Not good.
I’m sure that pointing out the narrative’s glaringly obvious inconsistencies is going to land Russia in very hot water over the shoot down of that civilian airliner over Ukraine in 2014. Any day now. Any day now… Just one more “le epic debunk”…
I do think you’re absolutely right. I know people doing exactly that — checking out — and it does seem like a common response. It is understandable, a lot of people just can’t deal with all that garbage being firehosed into their faces, and the level of crazy ratcheting up through the ceiling. And that reaction of checking out is one of the intended effects of the strategy of “flooding the zone”. Glad you pointed that out.
This is Trump’s response 🤮
I mean, everything Some Fucking Idiot says is a lie, pretty much. But we absolutely know this one is a lie because there is no way he watched a video longer than five seconds that didn’t include people shouting his praises.
Or molesting kids
He wasn’t even touched by the car…
“Recovering in the hospital”. What a fucking joke. Straight up 1984 telling you not to believe your lying eyes.
What a fucking clown fuck asshole
Lol way too coherent to be Trump. Which sycophantic traitor wrote (or pasted from an LLM) this bullshit I wonder
Disgusting… How deep America has sank…
So, I live here, it’s also 45 degrees today. I don’t think you can even get stuck in the snow today. Unless you’re not on pavement.
Not that the lies need to be pointed out, they’re obvious without that… but still.
This dumb bitch seems to think outright lying - when video shows a completely different story - is the way to go.
It’s all she’s got, so she’s going with it, carefully reading the statutes, so she can make sure she hits all her bullet points.
Bottom line: This a manufactured murder, meant to inflame the citizens, and become a rationalization for Martial Law, and suspension of the Midterm election. MAGA cannot lose the House majority, or else Democrats will have investigative powers, with full subpoena and arrest powers. They are unlikely to squander the opportunity this time, like they did under Biden.
So MAGA almost have to stop the election, and this is the start of it. We have never missed an election in this country, not even during the Civil War, so suspending this one, at this point in our history must be a BRIGHT RED LINE. If he invokes Martial Law, and suspends the election, it’s the end of American Democracy, and it’s Civil War.
manufactured murder
Yes. That’s one of the most striking things I got from the video, that the murderer went from getting out of his SUV to shooting his gun in just a few seconds, as though that was what he got out of his car to do.Also, I have gun experience but not with automatics, so I don’t know enough to say with certainty one way or another, but I did not see him disengage his safety, meaning that there is some non-zero chance he already had the safety disengaged when he got out of his vehicle.All of your points are excellent, and you’re right. We HAVE to avoid violent response – for now – if we do not want to speed up the destruction of what is left of our democracy.
EDITED to correct myself: I watched the video again and the shooter was already standing toward the hood of her car; the individual exiting the SUV I referred to above was not the actual shooter.
somehow, the DNC i cant trust them to not squander it. they only ever use as a campaign talking point and then drop the issue once in power, thereby achieving nothing. Plus the donors are both parties will insure nothing will happen. the only way things will change if there is more aoc, or bernie types in congress, not AIPAC SHIlls.theres at least 13 democrats in senate that is up for re-election this year, chuck shcumer is trying to shield them by using 8 sacrificial lambs that arnt up for re-election.
Democrats will have investigative powers, with full subpoena and arrest powers. They are unlikely to squander the opportunity this time, like they did under Biden.
Source?
For what? The fact that they’d have investigative powers? That’s the Constitution.
That they are unlikely to squander the opportunity this time? That’s personal speculation, but I doubt a Democratic House is going to sit still this time. They don’t have a president in office to protect, for one thing.
There are no circumstances which would allow for the suspension of elections.
Stop spreading BS. People can fight back today and vote out fascism when elections come around.
Jfc I can’t believe anyone still clings to this hope.
Must be under 30 and/or failed History class.
Just do what you’re told and shut up, right?
If he told you to stop breathing, are you ready to comply with that so easily too?
Are you even human?
Did you just wake up, Rip Van Winkle? These people don’t care about “mechanisms.” WTF? If he wants to suspend elections, he’ll do it, make up some cockamamie excuse, and every MAGA will buy it.
All he has to do is declare Martial Law, and he can do anything he wants, or at least he will feel that he can, and he will exploit that illegitimate power mercilessly. When we’re under Martial Law, suspending elections will be the least of our problems.
I was also predicting that he would definitely attack Venezuela for their oil, and plenty of people disparaged me for that, too, and here we are. I’ve taken a lot of heat for many of my predictions that have come true over the last decade. It seems that many people still don’t believe that Donald Trump is far worse than we even know, and that however bad we think he might behave, he will always surprise us, and be worse than we expected.
He’s already been “joking,” multiple times, that he thinks they should suspend the Midterm. We have already seen many, many times, that’s how he floats an idea in advance, getting people ready for it. He’s going to try to suspend the Midterm Election. He has to. His life and freedom literally depends on it.
The point is that elections are something that people can come together and have regardless of his will.
This is going to get violent sooner or later either way.
Elections are a state-managed process, and no Blue state is going to honor his suspension, and I’ll bet quite a few Red states won’t like it either, and defy that order as well. They have a lot more elections going on than Congressional Reps.
It will be an interesting and unique confrontation. And MAGA will likely lose the battle, and then they get desperate and dangerous.
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That evil hag.
To be fair, it is the result of domestic terrorism. But pretty much the opposite of the way she means.
Look at those Twitter comments watching a video of the guy literally throwing himself in front of a moving vehicle, and agreeing she tried to run him over. Nevermind that we have idea why they were even demanding it in the first place.
This dumb bitch seems to think outright lying - when video shows a completely different story - is the way to go.
All available evidence suggests she’s correct (about lying, that is … it’s never stopped any of her MAGA superiors).
So far she, and her orange boss, have been correct about that
This is fascism.
People are dying. People will continue to die. I’m saddened and scared by what is happening
Unfortunately, even if we make it through this, a lot of people are going to die. Hell, a lot died already thanks to orange shit mussolini downplaying covid.
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Idk what’s scarier, masked federal agents executing Americans on the streets or Americans continuing to do nothing about it. They, as a people and a society, are okay enough with this to not go out of their way to stop it.
Ahhhh yes it’s actually our fault! How silly of us! I live in rural Arkansas without enough money to buy gas to get to Minnesota, so please do tell what you expect me to do.
Inform people what happened, explain to the ones that you know will listen and understand how as welly why it’s wrong. How ICE is serving as an internal terror organization within this country. Not everyone can go out shooting but make a meal for those who do kinda thing.
What makes you think I don’t do all of those things? I’m just not out killing people and then dying myself so what’s the fucking point right? Blood for the blood god!
All of this is happening in the most armed country in the world and there has yet been a single major incident where people have been shot by activists, as far as I’m aware. No Kyle Rittenhouse style incident, no crazed lone gun man shooting ICE officers, no tense standoffs between police and armed demonstrators gone awry.
Being on the receiving end of the opposition to Trump is safer than attending an American school.
It’s not that you should be going in to the streets killing people at random. Violence should be avoided if possible. But it’s odd that things are so peaceful in such a violent country. There is no smoke, thus it’s hard to believe there’s a fire.
If Trump feared the opposition, there would be mass arrests on bogus domestic terrorism charges – violence or not.
I read Judge Karen Immergut’s final ruling in early November that blocked the National Guard from remaining in Portland. Its main point was that the violence they were sent to Portland to quell did not exist in reality.
In other words, Portland avoiding violent resistance allowed the judge to kick out the National Guard. The courts are holding, and so is the military. It’s taking time, but they are not all going along with this, and both the judiciary and the military are required for a successful coup. In reality he’s losing power faster than he can consolidate it.
Don’t be blinded by single events. That’s what they want. If you do not want a fucking occupation of your city based on the lie that they are there to quell violence, then violence is not the correct response at this point.
Given that avoiding midterms altogether is the entire point of all this escalation – Venezuela, ICE murdering citizens, all of it – I will not judge anyone sane enough to avoid it for now.
I suggest you do the same. By which I mean “Violence should be avoided, but . . .” is not actually an anti-violence statement.
Aw yes. The only things that can be done are only in Minnesota.
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anything you can, with anyone else who will. you want to know what doesn’t help? doing nothing.
So many people act like it’s no big deal to start a violent revolution against the most militarized government in history and it’s fucking absurd.
not at all. but what it is, is necessary.
i know it’s fucking crazy, but here we are. America has been taken over by fascists. They are not just going to leave. The suffering, for not just America but the world, will only get worse until the American public, the State governments, the military, do what needs to be done.
I’m sorry that America is at the point of Civil War, but it is. That fact isn’t just going to go away. No one is coming to save America.
I honestly think, deep down, most Americans know this. But the reality of it, the shock of it, is just too great. The cognitive dissonance is too overwhelming.
but what it is, is necessary.
WRONG. Becoming violent at this point is the single most idiotic, stupid thing we could do right now.
That’s what this escalation is designed to provoke.
Do you really think the US government does not know how to deal with violent protests? It’s what they want.
“When it gets down to having to use violence, then you are playing the system’s game. The establishment will irritate you – pull your beard, flick your face – to make you fight. Because once they’ve got you violent, then they know how to handle you. The only thing they don’t know how to handle is non-violence and humor.” – John Lennon
sure bud. good luck hugging your way to freedom while ppl die.
we all recall how historically fascism was defeated through hugs and jokes.
Americans doing nothing about it is far scarier. We all knew the first thing has been coming for decades.
A nation of savages that cant risk their own creature comforts to stop pedophiles and murderers. Remember that any one of them could be a mass shooter, they should be banned from entering other countries for nation security.
