I think this does a lot better job of arguing for immigration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjLBCiXoTmU
In the not so distant past Europe had many wars over their small borders. Discrimination was rampant, happening between European countries, even between villages.
Nowadays Europeans have forgotten that Spain isn’t actually “white” and this definition keeps expanding every day because immigration is needed to keep the economy going. Thus past immigrants become part of the current “in-group”. Hell even the Irish were not part of the in-group in the not so distant past. Turkey is about to become “white” soon.
The entire “replacement theory” has practically already happened 20 times over if you ask someone from the 1600s. But most people can’t even tell the difference between someone from Spain and someone from Poland anymore as they have all become part of the in-group.
When public opinion is against something you’re for, you’re always going to be on the defensive.
We need more integration. We need more immigrants marrying locals; we need more mixed housing estates; we need more native-born citizens who are friends with immigrants. We need immigrants at the local pub quiz heckling the quizmaster and getting a laugh. That, to me, is the only way to dispel the gut feeling of xenophobia that many people have. You can’t get rid of it by talking about economic benefits; you can’t get rid of it by saying that the far-right agenda amounts to concentration camps for immigrants; you can’t get rid of it by saying it’s the only way to support an aging population. It doesn’t matter if these things are true, because truth just doesn’t beat gut instincts.
You can try to change narratives with policy: you can favour media which has rich representation of diverse people. You can talk about the positive roles of people like doctors in the health service, and care assistants, who are already here doing important jobs. You can also make more direct policies, like language requirements on legal migrants (because you’re more likely to make friends with locals if you already speak the language), for example.
But if you do all of this and people still think migration is too high, then it’s probably time to take action to reduce migration. Contrary to the article, people don’t dislike migration just because they’ve been told to. People dislike it because it’s change and people don’t like change, and because a lot of people are just a bit xenophobic. Not so much that they can’t get over it, but enough that they don’t need Farage to tell them they don’t like migration.
In the UK there’s a few things the country could be doing to change the narrative, but the fact remains that net migration is in the 100s of thousands, unequally distributed around a population of about 65 million. It only went above 100,000 in 1998, and was around 0 for decades before that. So it’s historically high, so it shouldn’t really be surprising that people don’t like it.
Do you know how difficult they make it for locals who want to marry immigrants? It’s so immoral I don’t know why more people aren’t outraged about it. I feel like the attitude is like “well that’s what you should expect for falling in love with an immigrant”
No? I know a number of married British-non-British couples and none have mentioned it. Who’s “they” and how do they make it difficult?
The Home Office. You need to be earning at least £29k before they’d even consider giving you a visa
If you fall in love with an immigrant, presumably they already have a visa (or ILR, or citizenship, or whatever) and so don’t need to pass any extra checks for spousal visa.
I guess you’re talking about foreign nationals who aren’t currently immigrants. That’s not really what I’m talking about, because they could be (and in fact by and large will be) the spouses of current immigrants, rather than the native-born. So encouraging their migration does not have the effect of encouraging the bridging of the native and immigrant populations. Indeed, it more does the opposite: it would mean encouragement to people considering a work visa in the UK who already have a family which they might want to bring with them, rather than single people who might find a partner here and start a family with them.
No, the visa can expire and then they’re forced to move back to the other side of the continent
OK, but the situations where someone has immigrated to the UK on some basis, then ceases to be eligible to remain in the UK, are less frequent than cases where someone might immigrate to the UK and wish to bring existing family with them.
A £29k per year threshold for a British citizen to be with their non British spouse is insane and immoral
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zero inertia propulsion
Literally physically impossible. Like, not even “that’s a hard engineering challenge”, it violates the laws of thermodynamics and the universe itself, and you’d have to rewrite the entire playbook of physics if such an object existed. Please stop proliferating your own conspiracy theories.
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If tr-3bs have been in the public view for decades now why is the only evidence a bunch of unclear images of lights and pictures that are clearly just renderings? Anyway I’m not sure how immigration talks go into hypothetical inertialess drives. That being said, yes, all of this is theoretically possible and you can’t prove a negative but if these things were functional there would be a lot more knock-on effects and something that big wouldn’t be kept under wraps for decades. The problem with conspiracy theories is they rely on so many incredibly unlikely things topped off with the desire of whoever subscribed to them to overlook reality because they want to be part of an in-group. But hey, whatever entertains you I guess.
WOAH! My comments were removed by mod!? WTF!?? Why!? Nothing in the sidebar rules suggests they would have been, and it even states “Disappointing comments will generally be left to fester in ratio,” … so, those comments should have stayed… what about them called forth: “outright horrible comments will be removed.” ??? Did someone trigger “Message the mods if you feel something really should be removed,” Why? Unfathomable. Astonishing. Some complicity in suppression by censorship? Some mistaking my poor wording as anything but as friendly and helpful as intended? But “outright horrible”? I cannot conceive how that could have been interpreted so.
Well, I’ll try my best to reply without benefit of seeing/remembering exactly what that was being replied to. I cannot conceive of what I could have possibly said that warranted removal.
Since 2014’s not decades, only a little over 1. Not merely just renderings. First image I saw of one was on an aircraft carrier. Seen several since. Seen interviews with Navy personnel talking about them. I used to be into special effects (was going to go into it as a career before advertising lured me away), and I saw no evidence they were merely graphics. That there may also be graphics renderings is beside the point.
Anyway I’m not sure how immigration talks go into hypothetical inertialess drives.
If everybody is provisioned with spaceships that can effortlessly go interstellar, we have all space availed to us. Much of the same technology also eliminates scarcity [such as the energy technology [(does not break 2nd law of thermodynamics, the energy source is explained), ~ like Patent Office whistleblower Tom Valone said at free energy conferences in the early 2000s, by the year 2000 there had already been over 3000 free energy device patents secreted)], effectively ending the main impetus for resource wars that are in part responsible for driving economic migration. So with abundance of all space opened to us, and the means to manage our earthly resources with ample headroom of abundance, the immigration equation is radically changed.
That being said, yes, all of this is theoretically possible and you can’t prove a negative but if these things were functional there would be a lot more knock-on effects and something that big wouldn’t be kept under wraps for decades.
What makes you assert that?
(iirc) I mentioned in my now removed comment some Lockheed tech that had been kept secret and denied for decades before being admitted. [And for another example of technology suppressed for decades despite being “that big”] I don’t recall if I also mentioned cannabis, and what Bernays, Anslinger and Hearst did to us, suppressing the truth about cannabis for decades (for which we’re still suffering loss of unimpeded access and freedom to grow abundantly ~ which stands in stark contrast to the past where the government required all farmers to grow it abundantly, in large part for ropes and sails for ships for the empire). Which I bring up to highlight the very real incentives competing companies/corporations and entire industries have to eliminate the competition. Opium, whaling, oil, cotton, timber, tobacco, steel, and others all had incentive to eliminate the competition from cannabis, even before Sitchlin’s decorticating machine (oft cited as a trigger for acceleration of the suppression of cannabis). Suppression of technologies to maintain rents such as this is very much in the same vein as the suppression of energy technology that would all but obsolete bit oil. And even the richest would be richer yet. Just losing their power over others, no longer keeping them down just to have more than others. So to your assertion that if these things are functional they wouldn’t be kept under wraps for decades, I suggest consider again the technologies I already mentioned, that were suppressed for decades and that now are admitted to have existed (such as from Lockheed Skunkworks), and the technologies that had already existed throughout all human history and even back to the dawn of history (first writings on paper were on cannabis paper, about cannabis (see Emperor Shen Nung’s medicine man) and earlier can be smeared and suppressed for decades (aproaching a century without full restoration)), then consider again the incentives entire industries have to suppress the competition (that would empower everybody and effectively emancipate them) to maintain their rigged game of rents extraction… How tenable then is the notion that something that big wouldn’t be kept under wraps for decades? Anslinger and Hearst convinced the world that mankind’s best friend, cannabis, was a demon called marijuana. The tech arc following on from Michael Faraday through to Nikola Tesla, especially following on from the Aero Clubs of the mid 1800s, and their beginnings of electromagnetically dampening inertia (over 50 years before the Wright Brothers inaugural flight), is nowhere to be seen now. What do you think happens in the secret research and development labs around the world? Just tiny incremental improvements of the technology we have, released within a decade? Or do the billions invested in them have a separate tech arc that far surpasses what’s availed? A little curiosity about such, and listening to whistleblowers goes a long way with this stuff. And see again the bit about Tom Valone’s whistle blowing on the secreted energy device patents. That there have been so many, shows both how much headroom we have, if not for the energy industry suppressing it, to maintain their rents. Just the same as what happened to Nikola Tesla, who wanted to power the world for free, and was met with “where would we put the meter?”. Nikola Tesla was not the only such innovator capable of powering the world. He was just the loudest and most showy.
If we are each availed technology that emancipates us, it radically changes global economics, and in turn, issues such as immigration.
I raised this issue here specifically because it is the one thing that has the biggest impact on immigration. (Like I think I said originally, something like) If such technology is desecreted and proliferated to the benefit of each and all, how obsolete an issue would our current immigration concerns look like?
The likes of Steven Greer [say what you will about him] offer a form of responsible “disclosure” that favours only the energy stuff first. I say that’s more dangerous than availing the travel stuff too. Letting people get out of the way, safe enough for a 2 year old to fly home in, seems better to me. Not to mention the advantages that offers us for protecting us from big rocks falling from space, or more earthly/geological catastrophes. So as much as it may seem counter intuitive at first, empowering each and all with the means to travel anywhere effortlessly, does not increase the immigration pressure, it alleviates it entirely.
The problem with conspiracy theories is they rely on so many incredibly unlikely things topped off with the desire of whoever subscribed to them to overlook reality because they want to be part of an in-group. But hey, whatever entertains you I guess.
Again we see the psyop term used to disuade scrutiny. “Conspiracy theories”. I wonder if that’s why my prior reply was removed. Did I go on a tirade mocking the use of it?
Hoists you by your own petard though, no? If it’s as you assert, does it not therefor require a “conspiracy theory” to explain what all the UAP/UFO/FlyingSaucer stuff is? Are “they” all conspiring to present a pure fiction to us? Is that your theory? Or are some of the technologies observed very real? When seeing one of these things accelerate out of the water, that without zero inertia propulsion would require the energy of the entire annual energy output of nations to brute force that much acceleration against inertia, … your theory is that these are fictions conspired upon to create? Could be. I can entertain the idea. “It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain an idea without necessarily accepting nor rejecting it.”
Like George Carlin said, don’t need to conspire when shared interests are understood. “They know what’s good for them.”
How much a “conspiracy theory” [bunk term btw] is it, when there are oodles of whistleblowers coming forth? See if that can shatter the cognitive dissonance from whatever named project that is to control public perception. Boy am I glad I got out of that industry. Way easier to dupe than de-dupe. Gladly on the hard path, than to be complicit in keeping humanity down and at each other’s throats.
Now, lets see if this gets removed by mod without explanation too.
