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All things considered, maybe they should have sent it to NYP who would publish for the the opposite reason (tabloid publicity).
Or, yknow, any decently large foreign news outlet with no stake in the US.
Fine I’d rather that hell than enabling these goddamn monsters while American becomes “Great”
Fun fact, Snowden decided to leak to the Gaurdian over NYT because he saw the Times kill a story on Bush’s warrentless wiretaps in 2006 and knew they couldn’t be trusted.
the Guardian that sold out Assange, Corbyn?..
They are just as bad when it matters, they are controlled opposition.I’m not up on UK politics enough to comment on the Corbyn thing, but if you’re talking about the password thing with Assange, I believe the Gaurdian version of events (that he told them it was a temporary password and then he never changed it). Assange is a narcissist who made sure that Wikileaks had no internal governance or structure outside of him. He wanted complete control over Wikileaks, and the cost of that was that the entire organization fell apart when he was trapped in the Ecuadorian embassy. Also, I think the sexual assault charges against him in Sweden were credible. Wikileaks did a lot of good, but Assange is a piece of shit, and I’m not inclined to believe his version of events over the Gaurdian reporters’.
Thanks MI6
You parrot UK/US regime propaganda.
Like Corbyn slandered as an anti-semite, Assange was constantly slandered as a narcissist and rapist.
That cheap and plenty used tactic didn’t work since that manufactured case got exposed.
IDC what you ‘believe’ those are not facts, the women themselves said the police manufactured the rape claims.
You can keep swallowing pseudo-left guardian nonsense,
I hope you’re a paid troll, if not you’re childishly naive or plain dumb.Yeah, so pretty much every thing you said about the sexual assault charges is wrong. One of the women said she wished he’d faced trial, but since he’s been imprisoned in the Ecuadorian embassy for so long, she thinks he’d paid enough of a price and she’s glad he’s free.. The other one has never publicly identified herself, and is still only known as Miss W. I can’t find any account that either woman said the police manufactured the charges, but it sounds like one of the bullshit conspiracy theories that was floating around in the 2010s (they’re CIA plants, they recanted, it was a setup because one of the officers knew the victim, etc.). I mean, Anna Ardin wrote a fucking book, her thoughts on what happened to her aren’t exactly a mystery.
You can admire people’s actions and still see their flaws. I think that Snowden is a hero, but I also recognize that he’s a Ron Paul libertarian who thinks we should abolish Social Security, and I’m willing to say that he’s got some stupid fucking political beliefs. If you need to become a full-blown rape apologist because someone you like was accused of sexual assault, you need to grow the fuck up.
As for the Corbyn thing, as I said, I’m not that up on UK politics, but I do remember that Corbyn was getting smeared as an antisemite for criticizing Israel, and if the Gaurdian took part in that, fuck 'em. I also find the claims that the other user shared about the Gaurdian going TERF even more disturbing. I respect a lot of the reporting the Gaurdian has done, but they’re not part of my regular news diet and I’m not gonna knee-jerk defend their editorial decisions; my original point was more about how much the times sucks than how great the Gaurdian is. But i am pretty familiar with their fallout with Assange over the book, and I find their reporters more credible than Assange.
So you take the known liars and complicit UK regime mouthpiece as credible truth and that woman’s (disputable and weak) claims too.
Even when there was zero evidence and the case got thrown out by the Swedes who actually investigated it you say " I think the sexual assault charges against him in Sweden were credible.".
They should’ve consulted you since you have some supernatural powers to know better, being far away without access to evidence and persons involved.I’ll believe other sources, naming facts and events the B BS C ‘forgets’ to mention bcs they don’t fit their narrative.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2012/07/assa-j28.html**___**
So it doesn’t sound at all credible to me.
If he would be a rapist, found guity WITH EVIDENCE I would not condone it, but he is not the first one to suffer from US/UK personal attacks and fabrications for political gain.
And it works as you and many others believe it.
Conveniently discrediting everyone as ‘rape apologists’ (while ha was not accused of raping her) and bringing that up completely out of context on a comment about the Guardian.Hey buddy, you can stop talking now. You’ve gone from, “the women said the police manufactured the charges,” to, “the women aren’t credible.” It’s pretty clear you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about, and a dead link from, “World Socialist Website,” isn’t changing that.
I’m guessing (hoping, really) that you’re too young to actually remember this case, but I was an adult when the charges came out against Assange, and at the time, I also thought they were bullshit. Then more and more information came out, so I processed it and changed my perspective. That’s what adults do when they’re presented with new information.
You’ve been presented with new information. (You can try to lie about that if you want, but the fact that you went from claiming that the women said the charges were manufactured to calling the women liars makes your ignorance pretty undeniable.) You can process that new information, or you can deny it because you don’t like it. The latter makes you sound like the liberals who smeared Tara Reade to defend Joe Biden, but it’s not an uncommon reaction. There’s even a name for it. It’s called being a fucking rape apologist.
Edit: Also, no, the case wasn’t, “thrown out.” The prosecutors dropped the charges because, after a decade of trying to arrest him, they knew there evidence was too old to get a conviction. That’s not remotely the same thing as a judge throwing out the case, but it’s exactly the kind of lie rape apologists tell themselves when they’re tying to exonerate their favorite predator.
LOL, gets his comments literally from AI, and even then cherrypicking.
I hope you’re too young to realise AI is full of shit.
Nah, you say you’re old so you’re just dumb and gullible.“there evidence was too old to get a conviction”
It’s “their evidence” moron.The case was thrown out because in the Deputy Director of Public Prosecution Eva-Marie Persson own words: “However, my overall assessment is that the evidential situation has been weakened to such an extent that there is no longer any reason to continue the investigation.”
An eloquent way of saving face when she didn’t have a case and was used in a character assassination.
The “it relies heavily on witness testimony” is laughable.
Who would be the witnesses they didn’t speak to, were there people hiding under the bed they didn’t talk to by then?
The only one they couldn’t interview was Assange himself.
Like that would help her Kangaroo court case.OC as I said, they didn’t know about you and your special psychic powers of assessment
You should asses the fact that evidence has a remarkable expiry date in Sweden.
It’s good for 9.5 years, a case from 2010 gets reopened in april 2019.
Somehow by november of that same year it’s suddenly too old!?
If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.You are an embarrassing joke, now fuck off with your imperialist nazi apologist BS, clown.
The Guardian can be too left for me in some cases but I agree that they are more trustworthy. The fact that The Guardian was originally founded with sympathy to those killed by the government for demanding democratic reforms says it all.
The Guardian can be too left for me in some cases
:-/
On the Guardian’s Transphobic Centrism
The Guardian faces boycott from LGBTQIA+ journalists
Not remotely left-wing enough for my tastes.
I never knew that! Neat.
The thing that I think most people don’t realize, is that American media is 100% in support of the government being “fascist” or whatever they’re doing in DC right now. And the media landscape will only become MORE divisive with the recent round of mergers featuring the Oracle people. Cause at the end of the day, the media just wants us all to hate each other. If we’re too busy hating each other; we won’t have the desire to actually organize a G strike
The shareholders who control the media directly profit off clicks on news articles. Divisive times and chaos drive clicks.
Newscorp / Paramount / Comcast DIRECTLY PROFIT FROM A CHAOTIC TRUMP PRESIDENCY.
What part of trump’s government is «“fascist” or whatever» and not fascist to you? I get that you value positive action over hate, but sorry. Let’s call a government that
- Violently oppresses minorities
- Obstructs and suppresses political opposition and the press
- Disdains science, values religion
- Is built on nationalism and supremacy
- Is imperialist
- With a strong focus on The Economy, aka interests of the elite
For what it is. It’s not being hateful, it’s just keeping the seriousness of what’s being discussed in sight.
Except for point 3 and not sugar coating it or being hypocrites about it that’s every US government ever.
If only they would go back to carpet bombing civilians or droning weddings under moderate non-fascist Reps or Dems like in the good old days.
decided not to publish to protect US troops
Bullshit, the Semafor report (arc) said they received these leaks before the operation began when it still could’ve been cancelled if someone put a spotlight on what they were about to do. If anything, by withholding this information from the American people and allowing this reckless operation to go forward unimpeded they helped the Trump administration put these troops in harm’s way.
This was not about protecting the lives of US troops or anyone else’s, this was about protecting the power of the United States government to inflict violence wherever it wants to no matter who is in charge of it or how stupid or cruel their motivations are.
It was about the press protecting themselves from any trump backlash.
The government claims it left Congress out of the loop to prevent leaks, and there was still a leak? Was Hegseth fucking around on Signal again?
All the more reason why corporate news cannot be trusted and independent media organizations are the future. We can’t rely on compromised, corrupt media who have bent the knee to this administration.
This Administration, the last Administration or any Administration.
In a real Democracy the Press is an independent Pillar from both the Political Pillar and Judicial Pillar, hence serving as an oversight over the other two.
This explains why in the US Politicians do whatever the fuck they want with little real pushback unless it negative affects some American Money elite or other: the Press in the US isn’t at all independent.
this administration.
Sweet summer child
Just reading the headlines made it obvious the MSM was in favor of this.
What they did to Manning and Assange has had an effect, I’m not saying that journalists shouldn’t take more courage, but I understand their fear
Manning leaked classified material she had taken an oath to protect, Assange published classified material without any vetting or redaction of sensitive material (like names of contacts).
Neither are really relevant to the NY Times or WaPo showing us once again that they are not really interested in holding power accountable to the public interest.
Iirc, the press (the Guardian) and not Assange leaked it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WikiLeaks:_Inside_Julian_Assange's_War_on_Secrecy
Assange was convicted via plea deal under the Espionage Act that he had disclosed national defence cables to the public.
I don’t want to get bogged in the weeds on the whole back-and-forth regarding who blames who for how the cables were published in full because multiple parties blame each other, and it’s not really relevant to my point that this is not at all the same situation the WaPo or NYT found themselves in. They had a leak from a credible source that the current US president was about to command an illegal attack and extradition on Venezuala and Maduro.
They chose not to publish any information at all because it may forewarn Venezeula, thereby potentially impacting US troops if they ignore the leak and proceed anyway, thus deciding for the US public that the information is not in their public interest and keeping it from them. I think it is more than obvious that the information would have been of enormous public value and could have averted this whole dilemma. It is very likely they did this at the direction of the Trump administration.
It’s worth noting that the NYT did exactly the same thing about the illegal NSA wiretapping program back in 2004. They knew GW Bush’s admin was breaking the law and spying on the entire US public (via whistleblowers releasing data to them), but sat on their release at the direct requests of the Whitehouse, allowing Bush to secure his second term in Nov 2004, publishing multiple articles supporting and defending the Patriot Act and warrantless surveillance in the interim, and only finally releasing the article in late 2005 well over a year after they first had the story ready to go - and only because one of their reporters was sick of fighting for editorial management to allow the story to go out, and was instead publishing it on his own in a book.
https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wired.com%2F2008%2F03%2Ftimes-reporter%2F
The US establishment media choose presidents. Fuck ‘the public interest’.
There is always an excuse, a difference that makes that case special and not the norm, if you really believe that if Trump wants to kill a journalist he will not find a way for him to end up behind bars, you have not found out what this administration is about
If it was such a problem then they should have leaked the info to a big news source outside the US to avoid problems, but they didnt even do that.
Or leaked to Venezuela
I’m all for impeding the Trump admin, but I would never help the Venezuelan dictatorship. Glad that fucker Maduro got caught, maybe now we can lock him and Trump up together.
You’d spent rest of your life in prison for treason doing that
People have died for a lot worse causes
Sure but it is a pretty big ask too.
It’s less of an ask than living in a fascist state waiting for either the next round of talking points you’ll be forced to parrot or waiting to be locked away or killed. Easy choice for me tho bc I don’t have kids
I don’t think most would agree with you there
Only because it’s anti-fascist “treason”
I’m sure most governments in the same position would be fairly upset their operation was revealed to the enemy
Venezuela isn’t our enemy. Or wasn’t until Trump unilaterally illegally declared war on them.
The US government seems to disagree
I was referring to January 6 traitors getting away virtually scot free.
Ah, alright. Didn’t catch that
Yes, the NYT is the same paper it was in 2003.
Not sure why this is news when they’ve done it before and still support it. The NYT has always been pro-imperialism. And they support queerphobes too.
That’s why oligarchs should not own media
If the oligarchs don’t own the media, how will they guarantee public complicity in the generation of private profits?
You need privatized media. Otherwise you get socialism and 100 zillion dead people.
Where is wikileaks when we need them
Oh, you didn’t hear? They’re Russian assets now, so you can’t leak to them. You have to leak to a respectable newspaper that can respectably kill the story.
Their leader was very pro trump so I’m not sure they’d be helpful
probably back in Moscow?
To be fair all medium to large news agencies would do this after getting treatened to be prosecuted and shut down for being “against him”. Smaller ones would need to stay anonymous, and be in an equally whistleblowing position.
I think this is more of a censurship problem than a specific news agencies one.
The way you describe it, its an authoritarianism problem before anything else.
Sounds like these people need to start leaking to reputable but not yet compromised outlets like The Bulwark, Crooked Media, Majority Report, Meidas Touch, etc.
Like it’s a legit concern to not put troops in danger, but you can reveal plans without revealing exact times, positions, and actions.
“Sources in DOD reveal plans for joint operation in Venezuela to arrest & expedite Maduro for trial in the US within the next 72 hours.”
No way that puts any troops in danger.
Fuck the troops.
They are following illegal orders . . .
As if only now there’s a problem?
They joined a fascist army that has a history of terrorizing countless countries since forever.
Under both sides of the imperialist uniparty.
Fuck every last one of them.Yes, and your average high school drop out in rural Oklahoma that has no other choices or prospects between joining the army and picking up the meth pipe knows exactly what part they are playing under imperialism… If they can spell that word.
Maybe blanket statements like “fuck every last one of them” serve no purpose in this discussion.
no other choices
that same excuse.
“I had no choice, there was a crisis in the 30’s so I simply had no choice but to join the SS and go kill some people and gas some jews, you have to understand!”Understanding that you’re joining a murderous organization of thugs that gives you a weapon and trains you to kill brown people doesn’t require a degree.
Even some hillbilly from Oklahoma or wherever in the banana republic knows what that means.
Indeed fuck every last one of them.You are vastly overestimating how informed these people are in order to justify your hatred of them.
So they let people in the US terrorist army without knowing what their murder weapon they get is used for?
A 5 year old would know it’s wrong
Sounds like these people need to start leaking to reputable but not yet compromised outlets like The Bulwark, Crooked Media, Majority Report, Meidas Touch, etc.
Why would they do that? These leaks came from within the Trump administration with the intention of building support for the invasion. These publications were given prior notice so they could begin building a credible defense of the administration’s actions, not so that they could discourage the administration from proceeding.
Any recommendation for YT channels that don’t use clickbait and fluff videos? Even Meidas seems to spam meaningless shit every few hours.
