Former Trump administration official and wife of top Trump aide Stephen Miller, Katie Miller, posted Saturday on X (formerly Twitter) an image of Greenland covered in the U.S. flag with the text “SOON”.

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    Can you imagine how much more useful to readers this publication could be if they wrote plainly true headlines instead of couching what happened behind click-bait bullshit?

    “Stephen Miller’s Wife Threatens Greenland with a Meme on Social Media”

    Look, now a reader would know what actually happened.

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      Also an attack against a NATO founding member, by another NATO founding member, making it the most confusing triggering of article 5 requiring the US to come to the aid of Denmark against itself.

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        I hope the good states ally with NATO to take down Florida, and allow Canada to give Trump’s Ballsroom the British treatment: Gone up in smoke and flame.

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        Fuck it then, full send it. Life sucks for me so I’ll happily go die in a snow pit defending a fellow EU country.

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        This threat alone is enough to show how much of a laughable alliance NATO is. America’s veto power already showed the security theater for what it is, but this is the final coup de grâce to the image of NATO being anything more than America’s lapdog.

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        Why do liberals continue to assert American fascists acting on behalf of international finance and the O&G industry are always and forever a cat’s paw for the Evil Foreigners?

        Is it really that hard to believe American plutocrats might be the primary beneficiary of an American campaign to expand America’s territory?

        “We do need Greenland, absolutely. We need it for defense,” Trump told The Atlantic in an interview published Jan. 4, describing the island as reportedly “surrounded by Russian and Chinese ships.”

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          That’s not what was implied in the comment your replaying to, they just stated it’s something Putin would greatly enjoy and benefit from. Not that he or any other state or non state actor are pulling the strings.

          And they are correct, strategically it greatly benefits his aims in Ukraine for the EU to have its attention taken by the US annexing part of a member nation, not to mention the collapse of NATO.

          And I’m not defending anyone here, American and its rich rulers are pieces of shit, Putin and the Russian oligarchs are pieces of shit, and even though they aren’t doing anything wrong in this instance the leaders/authorities of every major player in geopolitics are also in fact pieces of shit.

          Edit: and before you start, politically I’m best described as an anarchist in the fashion of David Graeber so not a liberal by a long sight

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            it’s something Putin would greatly enjoy

            Why would Putin enjoy a heavy US naval presence in the contested Artic Circle waters?

            strategically it greatly benefits his aims in Ukraine for the EU to have its attention taken by the US

            The Danish are not meaningfully contributing to the Ukraine conflict. And there is no reason to believe the big EU militaries would stop feeding supplies to Ukraine if the US invaded Greenland.

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              lol done here you’re not worth any more effort, with you being daft as a brush and all that.

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              Why would Putin enjoy a heavy US naval presence in the contested Artic Circle waters?

              In theory, he might not like a heavy foreign naval presence, but Greenland is already NATO aligned. So he’d be trading a NATO aligned region for a US-only region in exchange for a fractured NATO. Sounds like a decent trade. Also keep in mind practically speaking they are probably equally unlikely to actually boost military presence much, and if they really wanted just that, NATO would probably mostly let them do it if USA paid for it, without USA having to take it.

              The Danish are not meaningfully contributing to the Ukraine conflict. And there is no reason to believe the big EU militaries would stop feeding supplies to Ukraine if the US invaded Greenland.

              This isn’t about just Denmark, which materially would barely be impacted right now since Greenland is doing practically nothing. It’s about the notion of one NATO member invading another, and the absolute clusterfuck that would bring. A USA versus European NATO scenario would be his dream scenario. See “Foundations of Geopolitics”, where it’s mostly about getting Russia’s opponents to fracture and ruin alliances:

              Russia should “introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social, and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics”.

              This is also the book that makes annexation of Ukraine the top priority, that it must be secured before the broader Russian agenda can be executed. It also says they need to make the UK isolated from the broader EU. They know that above all else alliances must be broken for them to stand a chance to seize power.

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                This isn’t about just Denmark, which materially would barely be impacted right now since Greenland is doing practically nothing. It’s about the notion of one NATO member invading another, and the absolute clusterfuck that would bring.

                A lot of the Trump plan for Greenland’s annexation revolves around love-bombing the existing inhabitants and effectively buying the island out. Incidentally, not unlike the Chinese plan for Taiwan or the original Russian plan for Crimea. This follows domestic efforts on the island for full independence that Danish intelligence believes has been exacerbated by American media and intelligence interference.

                Obviously, ended up backfiring. But you don’t need a NATO invasion so much as a Color Revolution, which Americans have (historically) been pretty good at setting up.

                However you slice it, Russia doesn’t benefit from this in any material sense. And constantly holding the Russians up as a boogeyman when the crooks leading this scheme are squarely rooted inside the White House, not the Kremlin, is as obtuse as it is xenophobic. “Everything I don’t like is The Bad Foreigners” is the mentality that produced Trumpism to begin with. Liberals leaning into it only guarantee more Trumps into our future.

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      Its risky, but …OK. I’ll tell Schumer to release the next memo. VERY strong language in this one. There will also be a walk out and a minute of silence, in both the Senate and the House (probably).

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        Like some Establishment Democrats are secretly bootlicking Trump, and plus he claimed to have made antifascism a “crime” which violates the First Amendment (which allows for the freedoms of speech, of the press, of religion, of expression, to assemble peacefully and to redress grievances to the government and such). Seriously!

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      Many of us have been trying to get people to organize online to do that in real time communities on say Matrix and Stoat to inform, collaborate, strengthen each other, etc but people need to stop scrolling, and do.

      The whole country as a matter of fact.

      How do we get through to people who want to be entertained?

      Plenty of us already are doing but we need way more

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    The US is great at invading other countries

    It has not the first clue how to safely keep one.

    In the past they toppled other legitimate governments by using the CIA to cause some sort of revolution and kill the legitimate rulers.

    None of that has lasted, and in the case of Iran directly led to the current theocratic dictatorship (Iran today is directly the result of US actions)

    If the US invades either one of Canada, Mexico, or Greenland, it’ll be fucked. Friends and allies won’t turn up to help, it might causea fucking world war instead.

    I don’t understand why nobody stops this. Even the CEO’s and all just be able to see that this isn’t going to end well for anyone

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      But if the CIA has to do another coup that is their job security.

      None of this large scale shit is ever meant to solve anything. Just extract value.

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      I dont understand why nobody stops this.

      We’ve tried nothing and we’re out of ideas. - The American Public

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      Historically, the poors loosw the most. So maybe it’s worth the gamble. So much technology is available to really 1984 the population when it is in a more manageable number.

      It also helps to have gentleman agreements with the rich on the other side. Elon has a satellite and can communicate without you knowing. So there’s that.

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      The US is great at invading other countries

      Be careful. The US actually is fantastic at invading other countries. At least we’re really good at the “bomb the existing regime to hell and topple it” part of the process. We’re great at invading other countries; we’re just not so good at running them after.

      But this is the type of invasion the US actually is pretty good at. The US isn’t proposing taking invading and then hoping to set up an independent democracy that for some reason remains our friend. That’s what we tried in Iraq, and it failed because you can’t just impose your will on a foreign population. You can’t make someone love you. You can’t make a nation willingly adopt your style of government.

      But invading Greenland? This isn’t a Middle East misadventure, invading a highly populated country. This is the US coming to a territory and saying, “this is ours now.” This means a few things.

      First, winning hearts and minds doesn’t matter. Once annexed and legally part of the US, if they try to break away, they’re not just insurgents, they’re rebels. Look at General Sherman for how the US has treated rebel territories. In Iraq, the theme was always, “at the end of the day, we’re not going to be running this place, we need the Iraqis to be able to run it, hopefully without hating our guts.” With Greenland, the theme would be, “we’re here for the land and resources. This is US territory now. If some Americans want to secede from the rest of America, well we know historically how to handle that…”

      Second, do you know why Greenland’s mining resources are so underdeveloped? It’s because there are only 56,000 Greenlanders. If they wanted to seriously open up their mining resources, they would have to bring in outside companies to really develop them. And this would require bringing in large numbers of foreign workers, mining experts, their families, etc. Realistically, the existing Greenlander population would likely become a minority group. Hell, the existing number of Greenlanders is so small, a rebellion could likely be dealt with by the US criminal justice system, the military wouldn’t even be required.

      The annexation of Greenland would look nothing like the invasion of Iraq or even a hypothetical annexation of Canada or Mexico. Making the territory a US state would mean any American citizen could move there. Any company could bring in workers to start exploiting mining claims. It would look more like the annexation of Texas. (Where the US had thousands of US citizens illegally move to the sparsely populated territory, and then push for annexation.) And if there was any kind insurgency, the US would treat it far harsher than it did the insurgencies of Iraq or Afghanistan.

      That’s not to say this would be a good thing, it wouldn’t. In many ways it would be much worse than the invasion of Iraq. It would be far more brutal and would result in the existing Greenlanders becoming a small ethnic minority in what is now their own country. And any insurgency would be brutally repressed in the manner of the US Civil War. And while insurgencies can pull off wonders, scale still matters. Whatever tiny insurgency a group of 56,000 people, people completely dependent on imported food and goods, can manage to produce? That is not something that can credibly stand up to the US military. Hell, it couldn’t even stand up to the FBI. They could raise some heroic 5,000 man rebel force, and the US could just have them all arrested.

      At the end of the day, 56,000 people cannot resist the might of 330 million. Smaller nations can drive out larger foreign invaders, but only if they’re at least of a similar order of magnitude of population. Ukraine can plausibly fight off Russia. A tiny city state can’t.

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        Two things: One: The US economy will go down the drain the moment they try.

        I think Ukraine showed us you don’t need much to destroy mining operations… And if the local population refuses to open mines, it’s because they don’t want to become an Alaska.

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        according to some danish journalists the idea was started by Ronald Lauder, some US billionaire. (he has some companies that use water from greenland or some shit)

        It’s even on his Wikipage…

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    That will be the end of NATO, from then on it’s unscripted territory for Europe.

    Edit: typos

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    If attacking Venezuela doesn’t stop people from talking about the Pedo Files (aka Trump/Epstein files), then the orange cancer will go for something even bigger-- attacking Greenland.

    What a fucked up time we live in. Sure would be nice if the Grim Reaper or Satan could, you know… Maybe we should all be suing McDonald’s?

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      he already is planning to attack cuba, mexico and other South american countries just to get epstein files off his back, plus anyone associated with the files will be relieved if the news stop talking about too. the DNC is complicit as well

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      You think the US isn’t capable of annexing hell after turning Lucifer into their bitch?

      I know the US is cancer but they are humans and…humanity fuck yeah!

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    It’s like she’s trying so desperately to make herself an accessory to war crimes. Why you would aspire to be Elana Ceausescu?

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      Well, in America, war crimes usually make you a profit and get excused/vetod/protected by the govt. So there’s that reason.

      It’s not like Americans are going to hold any of these people accountable. They’ve already failed to do so after Trump’s first term.

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        I think similar circumstances (at least in terms of frustration with there seeming to be no justice for the corruption and crimes they committed while in power) was what eventually drove people to join the revolution against Ceausescu.

        I always felt it was kind of a barbaric way to handle the situation, but in hindsight, perhaps I was being too hasty to judge.

        Who’s to say what will happen in the U.S. I would like to believe democracy will prevail and maybe if the right people come to power, the people in this administration will actually be held accountable through traditional means. That’s the most optimistic scenario but also probably least likely to happen.

        There’s a good chance the government just crumbles completely, especially with the Trump administration trying to destroy what remains of the rule of law both internationally and domestically. On the one hand it seems like that is their game plan, but on the other there are several ways it could backfire on them, even without some kind of external uprising against them. Once they lose any expectation of legal protection, we could also end up with some faction within the administration turning against the others in order to take control. Who the fuck knows. Wild card.

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          Yes, anything can happen, in theory. In practice, and based on what we’ve seen historically in the US as of late, no one will be held accountable. America is ok with Fascism, and they’re OK with war crimes, especially against foreign nations. They’re generally proud to be bullies and to be asserting dominance with their elected thug.

          These aren’t slanderous accusations or anything, it’s just the blunt assessment from a foreigner, given what’s going on. There’s a subset of Americans who go on social media and lament their country’s actions, and those people tend to get either offended, or depressed/resigned, when you highlight America voted for, and are enthusiastic about, their fascist dictatorship. But that minority outlier does not change that Americans en masse still support their government, even when their government has become a pretty clear fascist dictatorship to the rest of the world. Most of the country is cheering on war crimes and crimes against humanity. It comes across fairly explicitly as such through multiple media sources, from multiple countries etc.

          Publicly, the rest of the world leaders are cagey about comments on Americas recent turn, because they’re all worried that America will attack them next. That’s not how your relationship with ‘allies’ should be, and many are moving to shore up militaries and cut ties with America as part of this shift. That sort of thing won’t change, even if America manages to have another election and a more ‘normal’ democrat wins that time around – because the world knows full well that America could flip flop the next time, back to even more hardcore fascist leanings.

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    This is just the begining. This pedonazi doesn’t stop just because people tell him too. He already told us his moves : after Groeland, he wants to take Canada because of the ressources so he’s gonna try something before the end of the mandate (that he wont respect btw).