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a-hole drivers, a-hole companies not surprised.
Literally not even a novel design and in my opinion, not patentable.
Didn’t Audi edit: try some similarly outrageous stunt about 25 years ago? Something like no user access to the engine compartment at all? As in go to the dealer to have them remove the front of your car and refill your washer fluid. I remember that went over like a limestone cloud and I don’t think they pulled the trigger on that design. Car people, where are you?
You’re probably thinking of the A2 service hatch. It’s nothing like that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_A2
Hooray, more tools to buy.
Sure wish we could just have a single standard shape and size.
How about standard hex in metric and be done with it?Hex can strip, either square or star/torx
Stripping is almost always user error and i personally don’t like torx. But I’m down for any of them if made a singular a standard!
Maybe user error, but hex comes in both us and metric and the difference is often just tight enough to strip it or loose enough you can pound it in with a hammer. Torx only comes in 1 scale.
What do you personally take issue with?
That’s true.
I just dont like the feel of using them and I’ve also broken multiple of the small torx bits.
But realistically i don’t care what standard is chosen as long as there was one.
That’s why I bought a metric tap and die, anywhere I run into stupidity I can just re-thread and put a better bolt in.
My hero 🥹
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Like.
You don’t understand why? Really?
What combination of words in my comment could have possibly led you to the massive leap of an assumption that i dont understand why companies do this?
Go on, explain.Totally misread your comment, my bad.
Thought it said “I don’t know why…”
Leaving the comment for prosperity. Carry on.
It happens, no worries!
I wonder how that got past the prior art. I mean Robocop referenced shooting yourself in the dick back in the 1980s.
I bet that the goal here is to try to abuse trademark law to sue anyone who makes compatible bits because it’s embedding the trademarked BMW logo. I also bet that courts won’t buy into it.
EDIT: Well, I bet that US courts won’t buy into it. Dunno about other jurisdictions, what case law is there.
Back in the 1990s, you had Sega v. Accolade, where Sega tried making their consoles not work with a game unless that game had copyrighted and trademarked content at the beginning, with the idea that nobody could legally make games compatible with their consoles without Sega’s approval, and a court said “nice try, but no”.
EDIT2:
The court then went on to cite Anti-Monopoly v. General Mills Fun Group, which states in reference to the Lanham Act, “The trademark is misused if it serves to limit competition in the manufacture and sales of a product. That is the special province of the limited monopolies provided pursuant to the patent laws.”[9] The judges in the case had decided that Sega had violated this provision of the act by utilizing its trademark to limit competition for software for its console.
EDIT3: Oh, BMW patented it, too. I still bet that that’s going to run into anti-trust law.
Basically what Nintendo did on one of their schemes to prevent unauthorized software (Famicom Disk System, which was a floppy disk drive for the Japanese version of the NES). This was the physical Nintendo logo embossed on to floppy disk and with a flat disk instead, the disk can’t be physically loaded (sort of, you can add extra cut outs). Other game systems required a logo or similar other brand/trademark/IP to be present in the game code in order to boot, so if you wanted to make your own game without Nintendo’s blessing, you had to invlude their IP in your physical disk or in the game code just to get it to boot. This BMW patent seems to be in the spirit of those hard and software protections that prevent people from doing what they want with the hardware (car) they bought.
I’ll stick with my Hyundai, thanks.
I nneded to buy a 2 ft wratchet extension to undo a nut holding down the battery that was waaaaay down there. You know they did that on purpose
Man, fuck BMW, they’re a shitty company to do business with. Worse than Audi even and that’s a tall order.
Give me a blowtorch and 20 minutes. I’ll have it off.
Seems like it might burn your fingers.
I give that about a week after it comes out, before you can buy compatible socket wrenches on AliExpress.
I’ve got a set of 20-something security bits from there, all the anti interference stuff all in one place.
You could have gone to your local hardware store.
Possibly, but that would involve leaving the house.
Exactly, this whole article is stupid and I kinda like the little fasteners.
I’ll buy a set of these screwdrivers for $10 and put them in my speciality tool drawer and call it a day.
No problems here.
You shouldn’t have to?
From the standpoint of anybody reasonably handy, we all know we can buy tools. Any time I see a discarded or abused tool I’ll salvage it just because I know I can grind or channel out the head to make custom drivers. That’s not the problem.
It’s that the company is going to use this as a play to illegally monopolize and stifle competition.
Yeah, like those security lug nuts. Guess what, guys?
We’ve had two vehicles come with them. I remove them the first time I have a wheel off for some reason.
I wouldn’t say the security wheel nuts are entirely useless.
Although a set is only about $25 on Amazon, it does limit the pool of potential wheel thieves to serious professionals who are looking for something more valuable to justify buying and carrying multiple sets of these around.
What makes you think a wheel thief bought their tools?
Even if they didn’t pay in money, they paid in time and effort.
Plus you gotta carry that shit around. Easier to justify a socket set than a pocketful of random lugnut keys.
I’m sure a bored steel worker somewhere can crank out a bit in 10 minutes
Just another tool for the mechanic to stock. They’ll be on eBay and Amazon soon enough.
Having 8 million single use tools sure does get annoying and expensive…
People need to stop buying BMWs, they seem to always be the first to introduce some new bullshit.
its always well-off people, asians, persians, and D-BAGs that buy it. i wont be sorry for the D-BAGS.
They also love making their cars extremely complicated, so maybe it’s better if people need to do some research before taking apart something they can’t reassemble.
remember they are considering charging subscription to use certain features on the car.
classic bmw
if only our economy wasnt so dependent on this company
just dont buy a BMW.
Why not just weld that shit solid at this point ffs.
it will probably limit 3rd parties for a short time, until they purchase the tool that is required
or someone reverse engineers a tool that doesn’t violate some trademark
these things never stay in one parties control for long
chinese are very good at reverse engineering, its only a matter of months.
I think the issue is with how many hoops you want to jump through in order to fix BMWs, specifically.
If I’m running an auto-repair shop and I already need specialty kits and tools for more common vehicles, why am I going to invest in one for a far more niche brand? And if the number of non-dealership repair centers for BMWs dry up, the pool of people skilled in repair go with it.
It’s a death spiral for the brand as a whole, in pursuit of marginal increase in dealership based repairs.
Where are you from? BMWs are incredibly popular here in the UK and Europe and are far from niche.
You know the highest selling car brand in the UK is the Volkswagen? Literally buying more HitlerCars than your own in-house brands by a good 30% over the next leading car company (which is, in fairness, BMW).
Everyone loves German vehicles here for some reason.
Becauae when it was nationalised, the British car industry was poor-quality, unimaginative, and unreliable.
The three wheeled cars were funny though
So buy Japanese, at least they’re cheap to maintain.
Has that changed?
Yes, it went bankrupt and was sold and hasn’t existed for about thirty years.
Far from niche. BMW is the largest exporter of vehicles from the US.
Fuck em, but also a few measurements, plastic prototypes, and 1 shapeways order and you could have a custom stainless socket wrench bit to fit these. I’ve printed a custom shaped utility box key in 17-4 for less than $50.
