Second-highest figure in Tibetan Buddhism makes apparent reference to succession of exiled spiritual leader Dalai Lama

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    Why would the rules of reincarnations be subject to any laws of man? How is it that Beijing could possibly exert control over metaphysical powers? To suggest so, proves the speaker does not believe in reincarnation and should be ignored on the subject, no?

    No authority greater than Xi Xing Ping is absolute authoritarianism.

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    You know it’s a fake Panchen Lama because they’re saying the next Dalai Lama must adhere to what an atheist government that was responsible for annexing and taking over their land has to say.

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    So a reincarnation based religious system that spans countless realities, creatures, and millennia is somehow beholden to this reality’s 76 year old country led by a dictator? Makes sense.

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    Archive link.

    This apparently isn’t even the “real” Panchen Lama, but is the one chosen by China to replace the one that was kidnapped and was chosen by the Dalai Lama.

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      Look no matter how you feel about the China and i dislike their government as well the “kidnapped” person was according to them relocated and allowed to live a regular life and there is something to be said to not allow a six year old to be forced to a religious figure forced to abide by among other things vows of celibacy.

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      This apparently isn’t even the “real” Panchen Lama

      Sort of the joke of religious doctrine. These people aren’t actually reincarnated Buddhist Wizards who can magically divine the destiny of their successors.

      This Panchen Lama is as much “real” as the current Dalai Lama is “real”.

      These are humans, they can be educated and influenced as easily as anyone, and their politics/religion is a consequence of their upbringing rather than some magical pre-birth spiritual intuition. And they can also grow up, realize their position in the world, and regret their decisions in hindsight.

      In 1999, the Dalai Lama suggested that the CIA Tibetan program had been harmful to Tibet because it primarily served American interests, claiming “once the American policy toward China changed, they stopped their help … The Americans had a different agenda from the Tibetans.”

      Gyalo Thondup, the Dalai Lama’s elder brother, also expressed frustration with the role of the CIA in Tibetan affairs. In a 2009 interview, he stated “I never asked for CIA military assistance. I asked for political help. I wanted to publicize the Tibet situation, to make a little noise. The Americans promised to help make Tibet an independent country. All those promises were broken.” He continues, claiming that America “didn’t want to help Tibet. It just wanted to make trouble for China. It had no far-sighted policy for Tibet. I wasn’t trained for this (clandestine operations). We didn’t know about power politics.”

      During the Tibetan program’s period of activity, some of its largest contributions to the CIA’s interests in the region came in the form of keeping the Chinese occupied with resistance, never actually producing a mass uprising establishing independence for Tibet from Beijing. The program also produced a trove of army documents that Tibetan insurgents seized from the Chinese and turned over to the CIA in 1961 in what has been referred to as “one of the greatest intelligence successes of the Cold War”.

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      Look no matter how you feel about the China and i dislike their government as well the “kidnapped” person was according to them relocated and allowed to live a regular life and there is something to be said to not allow a six year old to be forced to a religious figure forced to abide by among other things vows of celibacy.

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        Ah yes instead of indoctrination into the religion of his people he gets indoctrinated into the thinking of a politcal state hostile to his people. Basically equivalent /s

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        Obviously, anyone who doesn’t like their people being genocided by the CCP must be a CIA operative.

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        You’re not allowed to talk about this. This is Far-Left Tankie Bullshit Lies and also it doesn’t matter and also nothing the Dali Lama or his brother said in hindsight matters.

        In 1999, the Dalai Lama suggested that the CIA Tibetan program had been harmful to Tibet because it primarily served American interests, claiming “once the American policy toward China changed, they stopped their help … The Americans had a different agenda from the Tibetans.”

        Gyalo Thondup, the Dalai Lama’s elder brother, also expressed frustration with the role of the CIA in Tibetan affairs. In a 2009 interview, he stated “I never asked for CIA military assistance. I asked for political help. I wanted to publicize the Tibet situation, to make a little noise. The Americans promised to help make Tibet an independent country. All those promises were broken.” He continues, claiming that America “didn’t want to help Tibet. It just wanted to make trouble for China. It had no far-sighted policy for Tibet. I wasn’t trained for this (clandestine operations). We didn’t know about power politics.”

        The important thing to remember is that Tibet is a free country being villainously occupied and oppressed by the Evil Chinese Invaders. Everyone in Tibet hates everyone in China. They yearn for freedom. And if we can just put enough heavy weapons into the hands of Tibetian dissidents the country will explode into a liberal democracy of freedom and liberty and Buddhism which is the one good religion that everyone on Lemmy loves.