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    Why do they need to torture people? Is there some kind of information they need from them?

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      No. They just have the wrong skin color. It’s your first time hearing about the US?

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      You do realize that torturing people is not a way to get information out of people, right?

      Torturing people produces misinformation, not information.

      Torture is what you do to someone when you enjoy causing them pain.

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      Stanford Prison Experiment

      A group of students were split into guards and prisoners in a mock jail. They were stripped of their normal identity and restraint. The guards quickly slid into cruelty. Prisoners broke down. Study aborted within a week.

      Funny story, you can’t reproduce this, because it’s unethical, but the few occasions where it has been tried under supervision, none of the behaviors emerged.

      Think about that.

      All you need to do is put on a uniform, and you change as a person.

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      Specifically the literal CIA themselves said that the information they got from “enhanced interrogation” techniques was low quality at best, untrustworthy, and largely inactionable.

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      Based on the picture it might be so that they can more efficiently ship them to the organ harvesting centre for processing ?

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      I’m not sure I’m on board with this eye for an eye tactic. I just don’t think we should box people.

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          You are talking about the judicial process, having a fair hearing, the process of law. We are talking about fair consequences. Nuremberg was a military tribunal. I have nothing to say of the propriety of the penalties for war crimes, only that civil penalties should not be based on eye for eye morality.

          Capital punishment for treason is cool with me, nay, encouraged by me.

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        It’s like the death penalty - just because they deserve it doesn’t mean it’s a wise policy decision. Figuring out who inflicted it on others is the hard part.

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          I mean, yes but no, I think it’s not moral for the government to kill people. I don’t think that even if we could establish with 100% certainty that someone murdered someone, they should be killed. I don’t think it is a matter of good or bad policy, but about right and wrong.

          If the law is “if you kill him, we kill you”, then what we have is a strictly retributionary law. That’s not justice, in my opinion. One can debate it endlessly, of course.

          Except! Treason. But that’s a bit different.

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    Jesus Christ.

    And as soon as I saw that was on HN I knew it would be flagged and locked.