• TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today
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    23 hours ago

    Not really… No major civilization around bodies of water subsists without agriculture. Fishing just supplements the protein requirements of the population, and unless they’re fishing just mackle it’s not likely to be sustainable.

    • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      14 hours ago

      major civilization

      Going the fence a name doesn’t make it not a fence.

      I cannot opt out of being inside of fence, if I’m really lucky I might get to choose between a couple of them.

      Anyone who misunderstands the issu, does so because they cannot accept their position as just another peon.

      I actually like my job enough that the feeling of this meme is mostly background noise. I can still empathize because I have refused to allow the fences to beat it out of me. That is a never ending battle. It’s a pity so many have lost the battle but I get it, that ignorance does look blissful.

    • baines@lemmy.cafe
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      13 hours ago

      true but major is doing some value lifting here

      even though farming is credited with allowing for population density supporting civilization (tech, stratification etc) plenty of peoples subsisted on the coast for numerous generations prior

      we’ve been a species much longer than we’ve had farming (30x?) not really fair to toss all that out just because there is no historical documentation

      we have oral traditions arguably from before farming societies

      but fish ponds off the coast supported relatively large populations in antiquity, just by then farming was also a thing so there was no reason not to do both

      • TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today
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        12 hours ago

        even though farming is credited with allowing for population density supporting civilization (tech, stratification etc) plenty of peoples subsisted on the coast for numerous generations prior

        Generations prior to agriculture? I don’t really see how that’s relevant to the current conversation.

        but fish ponds off the coast supported relatively large populations in antiquity, just by then farming was also a thing so there was no reason not to do both

        Since the advent of agriculture grain, legumes, and vegetables have made up the vast majority of calories that have supported human life. Up until relatively recent times animal protein was a relatively small part of most people’s diets.