• masterspace@lemmy.ca
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    24 hours ago

    Lol without agriculture you would literally end up eating shit and dying.

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      3 hours ago

      Real, this is a delusional slop post. All food requires some degree of labour, maintaining food supply or access to food requires even more labour.

      Civilisation ≠ the natural human ecosystem, it’s something we created… To feed ourselves.

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      24 hours ago

      every civilization around a large body of water makes this a half truth

      • TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today
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        23 hours ago

        Not really… No major civilization around bodies of water subsists without agriculture. Fishing just supplements the protein requirements of the population, and unless they’re fishing just mackle it’s not likely to be sustainable.

        • Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          15 hours ago

          major civilization

          Going the fence a name doesn’t make it not a fence.

          I cannot opt out of being inside of fence, if I’m really lucky I might get to choose between a couple of them.

          Anyone who misunderstands the issu, does so because they cannot accept their position as just another peon.

          I actually like my job enough that the feeling of this meme is mostly background noise. I can still empathize because I have refused to allow the fences to beat it out of me. That is a never ending battle. It’s a pity so many have lost the battle but I get it, that ignorance does look blissful.

        • baines@lemmy.cafe
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          13 hours ago

          true but major is doing some value lifting here

          even though farming is credited with allowing for population density supporting civilization (tech, stratification etc) plenty of peoples subsisted on the coast for numerous generations prior

          we’ve been a species much longer than we’ve had farming (30x?) not really fair to toss all that out just because there is no historical documentation

          we have oral traditions arguably from before farming societies

          but fish ponds off the coast supported relatively large populations in antiquity, just by then farming was also a thing so there was no reason not to do both

          • TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today
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            12 hours ago

            even though farming is credited with allowing for population density supporting civilization (tech, stratification etc) plenty of peoples subsisted on the coast for numerous generations prior

            Generations prior to agriculture? I don’t really see how that’s relevant to the current conversation.

            but fish ponds off the coast supported relatively large populations in antiquity, just by then farming was also a thing so there was no reason not to do both

            Since the advent of agriculture grain, legumes, and vegetables have made up the vast majority of calories that have supported human life. Up until relatively recent times animal protein was a relatively small part of most people’s diets.

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          13 hours ago

          it can still be feast or famine but the ocean was once plentiful in many costal areas, pacific islands have some written history from sailors / explorers of some pretty great living conditions all things considered

          won’t be for much longer