Several teams of female gamers have dropped out of the Dead by Daylight Women’s World Cup after trans women were banned.
What the fuck does gender or sex have to do with esports? This is just another insecure misogynist skill issue thing like every other competition setting where a man once lost to a woman. So fucking stupid.
Okay. If a few trans “imposters” slip through and get into tournaments lying about their status…
So what?
Like, what’s the risk? Let’s say a guy slips into the girls league, and… plays the game? If they’re being a jerk about it, well, there’s your red flag to ban them.
I don’t see why this is such an existential issue.
“for technical and operational reasons” my elbow
Seperate gendered esports makes zero fuckin sense what the actual fuck.
I also exists for chess for example and makes a lot of sense. If one gender is vastly underrepresented, giving them a separate competition helps them succeed at all.
In most sports the male competition is an actually open competition for all genders.
Adding onto this, it’s also for helping foster community among marginalized groups who are all passionate about the same thing. It’s hard to develop that community when you don’t see other people from that group in the sport or hobby you’re in.
Creating women only competitions is a way to connect people to help them foster that community and bring other women into the sport so that one day, it won’t just be a male dominated sport.
last i checked women make up around half of all gamers. why would roughly half of all gamers be “vastly underrepresented” in esports? 🤔
Because they actually are. There’s effectively no rules barring women from competing on regular esports teams, it just never seems to happen. There isn’t the same drive or interest, and there isn’t enough in the overall culture to support it. This isn’t some kind of proposed physical separation, it’s intended to drive interest and representation from a competitive standpoint.
keep going, you’re almost there
This isn’t some big brain gotcha. Among the various other reasons, many men and boys being inappropriate around women is another reason to have a woman only league. But I’m glad you got to feel special
idk man that sounds like segregation apologetics to me.
Okay, what’s the excuse for the tournament’s actions?
Are they claiming a Y chromosome now unlocks special gaming abilities when activated with Mtn Dew and Doritos?
Don’t forget that also… There are cis women with y chromosomes. There are cis men without. There are intersex people.
So true. I wonder what their metric is, then? “Sorry you spent too many years on Xbox Live before starting E.” Lmao.
They fucking suck.
i’v always found dr.pepper and flaming hot cheetos to be a better performance enhancer
Mountain dew and pizza for us pc gamers. Or redbull and vodka 😬
But the real trick is to eat/hydrate properly and actually exercise, like a real athlete, but then manage your stims properly for the actual competition so you aren’t desens or already worn out or gas early
The statement says the decision to ban trans women “was based solely on technical and operational limitations.”
“In a global online tournament, we do not have reliable tools to ensure transparency and verification for every participant. For this reason, we had to make decisions under uncertainty, relying instead on the trust we place in team leaders and their players,” it says. “… This situation does not reflect a lack of willingness to be inclusive, but rather the absence of adequate mechanisms to manage verification in a fair, safe, and respectful manner for all participants.”
So, WTF does this even mean? I don’t watch e-sports, but are leagues sometimes separated by gender? If so, why? I always assumed there were mixed teams, since gender or sex in this realm is 100% irrelevant when it comes to skill.
Either way, it’s complete bullshit.
in the same way that engineering disciplines often provide priority to women because it’s hard af for them in the discipline not for any good reason but just because the industry is misogynistic af
being a women and a gamer is far more toxic than being a man and a gamer, and that drives away a lot of women who may have been the best, and men don’t have that same hindrance just by virtue of their gender
id argue too that anyone claiming to be trans probably has similar levels of toxicity, and therefor it shouldn’t be an issue: if the division is about encouraging diversity to combat toxicity, who cares if that toxicity comes from transphobia or misogyny
You’re not thinking like a bigot, that’s why you’re confused. In their minds, most trans women are actually just pervy men trying to gain unfair access to sexy gamer girls so that they can assault them. The organizers feel an obligation to protect women from a threat they imagined in their heads.
WTF banning trans gamers because of what? Because beating on trans people takes focus from your own gender identity insecurity? Gtfo
Also, and I know this isn’t the point. But the word “women” is a noun, the adjective is “female”. I know that some misogynistic assholes use “female” as a noun, which from a linguistical POV is just as bad, and it’s why some people don’t like using “female” as an adjective. But… And it is as I’m writing this, that it dawns on me, that if people should be able to transform, then so should language… Dagnabbit! I just don’t like it when people change the language, but I’ll wear a rainbow pin, I’ll and defend trans people… What does that make me?
Misogyny didn’t change “male” and “female” into nouns, they’ve always functioned as nouns since their first usage in the 1300s, according to some quick research. Also, there’s no such thing as linguistic morality, either you can communicate your thoughts with others or you can’t.
That is probably the worst community to do bigot shit like this too. Most DBD players I know are very based and inclusive
TIL i learned DBD has an esports league
That is apparently gendered.
And run by bigoted men.
really doesn’t make any sense, does it?
yeah I mean how do you do the rotation when it’s time to switch sides? It’s 4v1.
Did the women drop out of the tournament because they were trans, or out of solidarity?
Haha was about to literally buy the game on Steam, bullet dodged.
Do the tournament organizers have anything to do with the game devs?
Devs shouldn’t allow it to be official if they do this, send takedown notices.
Saying trans people can’t play pro video games is like saying people from Latin America can’t play sportsball(kicking edition)
the game has to approve it being in the tournament. they can withdraw consent
“We recognize, respect, and value the diversity of identities within the Dead by Daylight community and within gaming as a whole,” the statement continues. “Trans women are an important part of the scene and have participated in our previous tournaments, where they have always been welcomed and respected. Their presence and contributions have never been questioned, nor has there ever been any discriminatory stance against them.”
The statement says the decision to ban trans women “was based solely on technical and operational limitations.”
It’s notoriously technically difficult to just do nothing and allow trans women to play video games. Basically can’t be done, except in every previous year.
What a stinking heap of bullshit.
What the hell does gender have to do with gaming?!? There is no inherently gender-based advantage on either end! So stupid…
It’s similar to women’s only chess championships. Think of it sort of like an affirmative action type of thing, where the misogyny that’s prevalent in a particular pursuit causes women to be disproportionately underrepresented.
That makes this decision even more galling to me.
Probably a similar reason to why there are tournaments and ranking systems exclusive to women in chess. From my understanding, there are far fewer women in chess than men, more hurdles for women in chess and less opportunity for them to thrive and reach their full potential. Many may have started later and were generally less encouraged to pursue chess, likely resulting in less time spent playing chess from a younger age. Therefore there are events exclusive to women in an effort to create a more balanced competitive environment that isn’t dominated by men who were placed in front of a chess board and cheered on since they were in diapers.
In theory there aren’t, but at the top of basically all esports and even games like chess, there are no women. Why is that? Are men more competitive?
Typically I think men are more competitive and just more likely to pursue things to the degree and extent it takes to become world class in chess for example. It’s not an issue of inherent ability as much as the potential pool of people being smaller
Well you see, trans women something something g shoulder orientation something something angle of neck relative to the monitor so obviously there’s just too much of an advantage.
They’re an average of 1.6 seconds faster at their 4pools than cis women.
Coding socks constitute an inherently unfair advantage, skirts allow too great a level of thermal regulation, rofl.
Yeah, this is infuriating.
I did Karate for a decade, went to a number of tournaments, and I’m a giant gamer dork.
Yes, in combat sports, there are legitimate arguments one can make that defining some kind of category delineation based on bone/muscle density from your biology makes roughly as much sense as weight classes… though I can say that only time I have ever been actually, fully KO’d was from a woman, roughly the same age/weight as myself, landing a roundhouse kick directly on my temple (side of my head).
But… keyboard combat? No. Makes no fucking sense at all.
Basically its because our gender is shit and ruins everything.
The goal is to eliminate trans people by isolating them and excluding them from society.
I can see having a women’s league being valuable to foster a safe space outside of the misogynistic dude bro culture that’s so prevalent in gaming, but that’s a space trans women need access too just as much if not more than cis women.
Exactly. I know chess has women-only events and open events. There is no men’s event. There just wouldn’t be any women if a space weren’t dedicated to women. The culture is so male dominated that it’s needed with no respect to advantage. I imagine e-sports is the same way.
Being male is a huge advantage when gaming - I don’t know how I’d even game without both hands on the keyboard and controlling the mouse with my dick.
Doesn’t this ban imply the creators believe trans women are the ideal form of gamers since the only active reason to ban them was if they were physically superior at playing video games to both men and women? Otherwise why would it matter?
Yes
both men and women?
Woman’s world cup
Why are gaming competitions segregated by gender anyway?
Yeah, it’s like segregated chess championships. Are they even needed?
They are. Its not about physical support but about the structures giving men much more support than women. It makes a huge difference whether you can fully focus on learning the game or have to still work maybe even full time.
Yes, but for behavior not inequality.
IMO should be integrated and shitheads just kicked out.
You know, I knew this day would come. I knew we would reach the point where we would ban trans women from esports.
Because again it’s never about any advantages trans women have.
Is there even a male / female division is esports?
No there isn’t. They can’t even use that excuse.
