vivian wilson (elon’s daughter) should start her own social media site just to watch her father squirm, and people will go it a lot more than twixter.
if this were a socialist country, elon musk would’ve been in jail. seriously!
Don’t get fooled about what politicians say and don’t give these idiots any visibility.
IMO: the DSA & DMA should hold executives accountable for their company’s behaviour. Someone is making those decisions. And all of the corporate law in the world would be abided a whole lot faster and a hell of a lot more diligently if there was the executive’s skin at stake for breaking it.
Also: Fuck Musk, as he’s a Nazi cunt making a Hitler salute at when being inaugurated as a minister.
Edit: Also, the only thing destroying european culture are the Techno-oligarchs in the USA.
Not the only thing, oligarchs from the east are also doing their part, and to be honest, oligarchs from within too.
at this point, we must all reluctantly use force to stop oligarchs around the world. seriously!
What a greedy little piggy.
“I got caught and punished for breaking the law. Those laws shouldn’t exist though by the way 😢, for unrelated reasons of course”
What I’d give to live somewhere willing to punish the worst amongst us.
No, instead I live in a country which is deep into its villain arc.
It is time for the EU to kick out all these too big to fail corporations that are openly hostile to European culture. Megacorporations are a direct threat to all citizens rights.
They are not too big to fail for Europe. The EU has fined msft, Google, meta and others. Apple even changed their flagship product to comply.
Why ban them when you can tax them and fine them if they don’t comply? Sure, we need to be vigilant of lobbying, but there are no current alternatives to most American tech giants.
You make excellent points. I truly believe with open source and some investments that every government can host everything they need internally.
I think this could have been done twenty years ago, but it is never too late to invest in our collective software future instead of letting corporations monopolize everything.
As far as social media, they will have to comply or exit the market. I would be wary of places like Zombie Twitter. They have already been proven to interfere with elections in other countries.
We are obviously facing a lot of policy making in order to reign in our digital future. Unfortunately, the US shows exactly zero appetite to pump the breaks. Let alone pull the ebrake and come to a screeching halt like they need to.
We don’t need to be reminded that Meta and Microsoft have contributed server resources to enacting a genocide. Even IBM helped the Nazi with their final solution during WWII. American companies are absolutely not to be trusted.
This. It’s crazy to think some dumbass rich american can openly ask for the dissolvement of a progressive, free market just because it tries to protect it’s citizen from greed, propaganda and stolen data.
Fuck Elon, and fuck every american oligarch that thinks Europe will just buckle for them.
Nothing of value is lost if Twitter access goes. Booting out Microsoft , Google , etc will be harder
Microsoft will be easier, at least for public services, in the coming future since Europe currently pushes hard for FOSS instead of US owned companies.
For consumer markets we’ll need better alternatives still because it’s harder to convert your citizens away from something they grew up to be used to over the last 20 years.
How far along adopton though? I see a few German city councils move across to FOSS but I would guess it’s a long way to go before US equivalents are the smaller percentage.
If you wanted to replace Office 365, intune and Azure, what would your foss equivalents be? I guess the OS would Be something like SUSE and Libre Office for documents, but what about cloud storage and online document editing? What is the FOSS equivalent GUI driven MDM of Linux devices or cloud directory services? I ask this as I haven’t heard of the equivalents rather than to argue they don’t exist.
It’s a struggle to get consumers off of Twitter, at this point I don’t believe we will get them to drop iPads, Chromebooks etc unless we are actually at war with America, it feels impossible. I’d argue that will be true for a lot of EU based international business also.
They are already working on Microsoft
Are we talking de-bundling teams from office 365 or actual legit replacements to the Microsoft stack?
The Microsoft stack itself is being replaced.
For the OS and Office I know the equivalents, but what about GUI driven MDM, cloud MDM and directory services? Cloud storage and online document editing. I’m sure something exists but I couldn’t name those solutions currently.
There are plenty of options for MDM and directory services and cloud storage and online document editing has a million alternatives.
So if you had to build a cloud only equivalent to Microsoft 365 setup based on FOSS / European software alternatives, what would it look like?
I only ask as for companies to adopt this setup over Microsoft or Google work space it’s going to have to offer the same feature set and level of integration between components. But also have a path for less experienced IT teams to manage it. Otherwise it’s a much harder sell.
Another poster mentioned Next cloud, which I had heard of as an alternative to personal OneDrive via my tinkering with dietpi, it does look pretty fleshed out for enterprise also. But obviously for corporations, they will want tools for enterprise level device management, data protection across devices and cloud, etc so just wondered who is offering those solutions currently.
Ban it. Block it. Fine it. Lock it.
Harder, better, faster, stronger.
Fine him harder!
I’ve a better idea Elon, we should brine you and sup upon your flesh as we should, and will, with all you apes damaged enough to think bananas should be hoarded.
I’d really prefer to just put them in the compost bins, like football pitch sized ones hundreds of feet deep. We can use the fertilizer after a couple of decades.
Best results: we combine my metaphor with your literalism.
I think Elon Musk and alike should be abolished. They are ruining society. Seriously, it is that simple, these pieces of shit are probably humanity’s enemy number #1.
Odd that he didn’t harbor such feelings when the EU wasn’t fining his company
Him backing far-right anti-EU parties for ages is probably coincidental.
Anyone he can’t outspend or intimidate is bad.
ban this shit already please. STOP catering to the US!
I’m not particularly fond of my country being a member of EU, but I can’t help but to be pro-EU when he’s against it.
Yeah, just look at Brexit. This really has improved life in the UK.
So if one country fails with something, it means that it should never be attempted? This sounds like “you like communism? look at Venezuela”.
It’s different because here the Britons got exactly what they wanted in the way they wanted it and now they are sad about the monumental consequences of their choice. Calling Venezuela communist is like calling China a democracy, because there’s “voting”.
You’re choosing to ignore other countries which has left the EU and focusing on one example. Interesting. Wonder why that could be?
The other countries?
UK is the only full country that’s actually left the Eu.
The only other entities to leave the EU were:
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Algeria (Once they gained independence from France they automatically lost membership)
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Greenland (they wanted more fishing rights once Denmark gave them home rule)
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Two islands with a combined population of 15000.
And the later 3 are still part of the OCT so they’re still semi members.
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Only Britain left the EU. No other country left the EU ever.
It’s more like “you like communism? Look at every single time it has been attempted (on a scale bigger than a village)”.
Please tell me more about how every country that has withdrawn from EU has failed
What downsides are there to EU membership? Asking as an ignorant American
As a Brit, the benefits of being in were far higher than being out.
Genuinely, every country has profited massively from EU membership. “United in Diversity” is a fitting motto. The EU is greater than just the sum of their parts. The EU has enabled unprecedented economic prosperity throughout the continent. It has enabled free movement of people, wares, money, services. In the thousands of years that European culture has existed, there never was an as peaceful time as we have right now inside the EU.
IMHO: The EU is our last best hope for peace, as one of your previous presidents, Lincoln, put it so aptly. If peace should fail, it will be our last best hope for victory. Because peace by appeasing tyrants is a fool’s paradise.
It’s about democracy and sovereignty. Let’s say a EU member internationally votes 51% in favor of implementing socialism. Because of the EU membership, it would not be possible to implement due to regulations outside of a single country’s control, and EU is famously very capitalistic in general.
One non-extreme example in my country Sweden is that EU is threatening to make snus (i.e. oral tobacco product which zyn is based on) illegal, despite it being widely used and arguably a way more healthy nicotine product than cigarettes. Currently, Sweden has an exemption from the snus ban, but that exemption is not guaranteed for the future.
Also, if extreme right-wing forces grow stronger (which they currently are doing), it could result in EU policy regarding limiting lgbt rights or other horrible right-wing policies, despite a given country’s elected politicians not being of a right-wing majority.
It’s about democracy and sovereignty. Let’s say a EU member internationally votes 51% in favor of implementing socialism. Because of the EU membership, it would not be possible to implement due to regulations outside of a single country’s control, and EU is famously very capitalistic in general.
Not always getting what you want sometimes is democracy though. The alternative is not getting what you want ever, because the government exists to serve the interests of a certain group that most likely doesn’t include you.
If it wasn’t for the constitution, Texas and Florida would probably hold an election to bring back human slavery, then call it “democratic and sovereign” because they got enough votes from the evil fucks that live there.
But that holds true on a national level as well. I never understand how national states are somehow the ‘natural order’ of the world.
Let’s say a city in Sweden wants to do something against Swedish national law. Isn’t that the same about “democracy and sovereignity” when it’s not allowed for them?
Countries have a veto power for most important decisions, precisely to avoid what you described, and for many other things you need a qualified mayority (something like 80% of countries and 80% of population, 9r something like that).
Why, out of curiosity?
Honestly, from the outside, most every European problem I read about seems to be rooted in a lack of coordination with neighboring countries.
And for all the tire fire that America is, the federal system saves a whole lot of cross-state bickering and trouble.
It’s about democracy and sovereignty. Let’s say a EU member internationally votes 51% in favor of implementing socialism. Because of the EU membership, it would not be possible to implement due to regulations outside of a single country’s control, and EU is famously very capitalistic in general.
One non-extreme example in my country Sweden is that EU is threatening to make snus (i.e. oral tobacco product which zyn is based on) illegal, despite it being widely used and arguably a way more healthy nicotine product than cigarettes. Currently, Sweden has an exemption from the snus ban, but that exemption is not guaranteed for the future.
Also, if extreme right-wing forces grow stronger (which they currently are doing), it could result in EU policy regarding limiting lgbt rights or other horrible right-wing policies, despite a given country’s elected politicians not being of a right-wing majority.
With all due respect, this sounds like a bunch of the US confederacy bickering I was just seeing in the Ken Burns Revolutionary War documentary.
Of course no country wants to be forced to conform to stuff, but honestly… deal with it. Being able to act as a single body without constant vetoing and infighting and reinventing the wheel is worth it for having to follow a few laws you don’t like.
And if set up well, right wingers shouldn’t be able to deprive your country of rights, as is largely the case in the US. Most violations here are with the state’s consent, with a few exceptions where we leaned waaay too far into federal control. Unfortunately (and ironically), the extremists of both parties want less state sovereignty when they’re in power, but I don’t think that applies to EU politics.
