Being a ‘technical jew’ (Jewish mother, raised catholic, now happily nothing) and watching Israel ramp to from grotesque apartheid state to active genocide has been awful.
I was never so naive to think Israel was good in any way, but their ‘heel turn’ to full naziism while making the future much more dangerous for the Jewish diaspora all so they can rape and murder with impunity… I’m at a loss.
American evangelicals already hated Jews. I can’t imagine even having to fake caring about antisemitism isn’t going to put us pretty high on their to do list…
similar situation. jewish mother, raised without religion in a largely lutheran and jewish community. i remember in 2000 my kindergarten teacher (i was in 4th grade at the time) sitting me down to explain to me that israel was something called fascist, and that as a holocaust survivor, he could never tolerate fascism. he always wore long sleeves at school. it was then that i learned why. the nazis had tattooed a number on his forearm when he was 3.
it is offensive to his memory that israel uses the kindest man i’ve ever known’s religious symbols to perpetuate the very worst thing that ever happened to him on others.
Was Israel really showing signs of fascism so long ago that he recognized it enough to tell a student in 2000? It was definitely not on my radar until much later. That may say more about me though.
they have been problematic through their whole history, but in 2000 the un security council demanded israel withdraw troops from the west bank. this led to the resignation of the president and the election of moshe katsav, a crucial step in the leikud gaining the near full control they have maintained over the past 25 years, as this election would ultimately thwart a criminal investigation into benjamin netenyahu’s corruption.
obviously i didn’t understand all of this at 8 years old (i guess i was in third grade) but this was highly divisive in my community, with many younger jews seeing this all as a good thing and Hezbollah as a looming ever present threat, and many older jews seeing reflections of the beer hall putsch, hitler’s show trial, and eventual political takeover of germany. it was hard for me to understand why everyone was both so scared all the time and how this generational divide had formed
Thank you for your response. I feel like nothing like the current actions come out of nowhere at a scale like we are seeing. I need to do more research to understand how the American story books of “we gave some ancestral land to a bunch of horribly mistreated people” turned into something so similar but the other direction.
A good chunk of my extended family on my mother’s side died in the holocaust. Her father fought in WWII and died due to complications from injuries. This is very personal to me.
Israel using it as an excuse to BE the same as the bad guys… what the ever loving fuck is going on.
Remember kids, it’s always been cool to ‘punch’ nazis. Whatever form that takes.
The first computer game I ever played (after the obligatory Oregon Trail at one of the very few computer shops in Northern California at the time) was the original Castle Wolfenstein. Quite formative if a bit pixelated.
supporting israel is not an indicator that someone doesn’t hate Jews. many right wingers want there to be a place only for Jews so they can conduct an ethnic cleansing and send all the Jews there. the thing to understand is that zionism and anti-semitism are not oppositional forces, but instead two different ways of saying that Jews have no place in their current places of being and need to leave
Ah, that has NOTHING to do with Jews, but in support of a combination of fulfilling the conditions of the rapture as per Revelation and in support of zionism.
Zionism is NOT analogous to Judaism. Only very tangential at best.
Your distinction is no different than when others refer to current US administration as Christian. Is it or isn’t it? Depends on who you ask. People claim roles regardless of any meaningful adherence to their definition. You enjoy your split hair soup, but if you believe American Evangelicals are making a distinction between your beliefs, person-hood, or israel, i assure you, the majority are not. More. Further more, if you still think evangelicals hate Jews, try empathizing with a group we can all agree they hate. Gays. Women who need abortions. Then ask yourself, where are all the instances of hell-fire protests outside of the synagogues? It doesn’t exist. Evangelicals consider themselves allies of Jewish people.
Being a ‘technical jew’ (Jewish mother, raised catholic, now happily nothing) and watching Israel ramp to from grotesque apartheid state to active genocide has been awful.
I was never so naive to think Israel was good in any way, but their ‘heel turn’ to full naziism while making the future much more dangerous for the Jewish diaspora all so they can rape and murder with impunity… I’m at a loss.
American evangelicals already hated Jews. I can’t imagine even having to fake caring about antisemitism isn’t going to put us pretty high on their to do list…
similar situation. jewish mother, raised without religion in a largely lutheran and jewish community. i remember in 2000 my kindergarten teacher (i was in 4th grade at the time) sitting me down to explain to me that israel was something called fascist, and that as a holocaust survivor, he could never tolerate fascism. he always wore long sleeves at school. it was then that i learned why. the nazis had tattooed a number on his forearm when he was 3.
it is offensive to his memory that israel uses the kindest man i’ve ever known’s religious symbols to perpetuate the very worst thing that ever happened to him on others.
Was Israel really showing signs of fascism so long ago that he recognized it enough to tell a student in 2000? It was definitely not on my radar until much later. That may say more about me though.
they have been problematic through their whole history, but in 2000 the un security council demanded israel withdraw troops from the west bank. this led to the resignation of the president and the election of moshe katsav, a crucial step in the leikud gaining the near full control they have maintained over the past 25 years, as this election would ultimately thwart a criminal investigation into benjamin netenyahu’s corruption.
obviously i didn’t understand all of this at 8 years old (i guess i was in third grade) but this was highly divisive in my community, with many younger jews seeing this all as a good thing and Hezbollah as a looming ever present threat, and many older jews seeing reflections of the beer hall putsch, hitler’s show trial, and eventual political takeover of germany. it was hard for me to understand why everyone was both so scared all the time and how this generational divide had formed
Thank you for your response. I feel like nothing like the current actions come out of nowhere at a scale like we are seeing. I need to do more research to understand how the American story books of “we gave some ancestral land to a bunch of horribly mistreated people” turned into something so similar but the other direction.
A good chunk of my extended family on my mother’s side died in the holocaust. Her father fought in WWII and died due to complications from injuries. This is very personal to me.
Israel using it as an excuse to BE the same as the bad guys… what the ever loving fuck is going on.
Remember kids, it’s always been cool to ‘punch’ nazis. Whatever form that takes.
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The first computer game I ever played (after the obligatory Oregon Trail at one of the very few computer shops in Northern California at the time) was the original Castle Wolfenstein. Quite formative if a bit pixelated.
Confidently Incorrect. The overwhelming majority are Trump and Israel supporters.
supporting israel is not an indicator that someone doesn’t hate Jews. many right wingers want there to be a place only for Jews so they can conduct an ethnic cleansing and send all the Jews there. the thing to understand is that zionism and anti-semitism are not oppositional forces, but instead two different ways of saying that Jews have no place in their current places of being and need to leave
yes. many of those “rightwingers” are jews and evangelicals. as allies. seeking the same validation from their overlapping theologies.
Ah, that has NOTHING to do with Jews, but in support of a combination of fulfilling the conditions of the rapture as per Revelation and in support of zionism.
Zionism is NOT analogous to Judaism. Only very tangential at best.
Your distinction is no different than when others refer to current US administration as Christian. Is it or isn’t it? Depends on who you ask. People claim roles regardless of any meaningful adherence to their definition. You enjoy your split hair soup, but if you believe American Evangelicals are making a distinction between your beliefs, person-hood, or israel, i assure you, the majority are not. More. Further more, if you still think evangelicals hate Jews, try empathizing with a group we can all agree they hate. Gays. Women who need abortions. Then ask yourself, where are all the instances of hell-fire protests outside of the synagogues? It doesn’t exist. Evangelicals consider themselves allies of Jewish people.