Honestly this is absurd. These death machines shouldn’t be legal in europe. That thing doesn’t even fit in the parking space, even though the parking lot has the biggest spaces in the whole city. The Golf Polo is so small in comparison, it could even hide in front of the engine hood of the truck.
EDIT: It’s a Polo and not a Golf, I don’t know my cars, sorry for that!
Both of them are used to transport mostly a single person at a time. Even the small one is too big.
Fuck cars, not just big trucks. They all tuck, they all are responsible for the harm done.
But you forgot that the truck can be used to haul 4 pieces of lumber twice a year!
The golf will also get farther with the same amount of fuel. Way farther.
That’s a Polo, the Golf is a tad bigger
In the States, the same choads that drive tankmobiles tend to complain about fuel prices and how it’s all big gubmint’s fault for stealing their fun (fun being defined as the ability to do 95 mph on the interstate and still pay under $50 for a tank of gas).
Just imagine those people being forced to pay European fuel prices…
Just yesterday I got gas for our car at a convenient price of 8.2$/gal (1.98€/l). E95, no idea how that compares to whatever the hell they sell on across the pond.
The last fuel station I saw on Sunday had E95 for €2.389/l - at a motorway in the Netherlands.
Not with a flat tyre.
The car doesn’t have a flat tyre, it’s actually in the parking space unlike the truck…
I’d wager a sizeable number of half-ton pickup trucks are used solely as people movers, i.e. the bed and towing capabilities aren’t utilized. In many countries, trade workers more than manage with light vehicles, like kei trucks in Japan, so I think they’d work for the average weekend warrior too.
What always gets me is how shitty pick-ups are at transporting things.
A percussionist I know has a double cab van, I think it’s a Ford transit. It can haul 3 timpani, a drum, tubular bells, a bass drum and other smaller stuff all in one trip. And then it still has space for 5 people. Try doing that with a pick-up.
As a bass player, a VW Touran can fit two double basses and two people. Can’t do that in a pick-up.
Those are roughly the same size as a 150 though, aren’t they?
Why is a behemoth of a van OK, but an equal sized pickup isn’t?
Because pick-ups are truly unfit for purpose unless the purpose is to increase your confidence and sense of safety on the road. We are always gonna need utility vehicles for specific purposes. A percussionist is not hauling drums on the train.
You could easily do what you said with a pickup with a canopy though, while still having the towing and off road capabilities.
Can you forklift a pallet from the side? Nope the tub design doesn’t allow it unless you have a tray design.
Can you load a large ladder on it? No ladder/timber rack.
Is it good off-road? Perhaps, but the tub design over the rear tyres and back bumper make the departure angle poor, you’ll need rock sliders or a lift.
I think I’ll stick to wagons and vans.
You can put a roof rack on almost any vehicle, just BTW.
Show me how you transport a ton of gravel in your car please (and remember, a ton is more than the towing capacity of the vast majority of cars, so no cheating!)
The places around me will deliver it for quite cheap so the uh, 2 times in my life I need that I’ll just do that?
How often does the average person haul tons of earthen materials around?
And what do they use to deliver it?
Professional delivery truck with a lifting bed to slide the earth off the back easily wherever you ask them to
A specialized vehicle, not a crappy pickup truck
Never a pickup truck, that’s for sure. Usually a tilt bed truck in my experience. Not something you’d generally want to drive unless you’re moving gravel.
In my case multiple times a year… plus construction material, furniture, motorcycles… In the end I need to haul heavy shit multiple times a month.
Yet, people would take pictures of my SUV and call me an idiot with no respect for driving a big vehicle… With a 4 cylinders that has a fuel consumption that’s the same (or better) as AWD cars that these same people don’t criticize???
With a 4 cylinders that has a fuel consumption that’s the same (or better) as AWD cars that these same people don’t criticize???>
The fuck you talking about?
More weight = more gas needed to move said vehicle… how can this be possible? Unless your making shit up.
All highway, 8.2L/100km, mixed, 9.5L/100km.
AWD cars with similar power (so mostly V6) are higher than that, even more so if I include towing capacity in the comparison.
What’s the car?
Just do a little bit of research into the fuel efficiency of various sized vehicles, the correlation is not direct and some larger vehicles get better gas mileage than smaller vehicles strictly due to efficiency. A small inefficient motor and a large efficient motor may yield the same mpg, but the large efficient motor is extracting more power from the same fuel source. And that’s not even getting into diesel versus gasoline…
Some being they key word here. Those specific vehicles were built with effency in mind. Now take the Ford F150 being the most common truck in Canada / USeh and I’d bet not a single one will be more efficient than a 6 cylinder AWD car. Your argument is kinda moot as your looking at outliers.
Most of your fuel use goes towards overcoming aerodynamic drag, especially at highway speed.
Yeah and a larger vehicle will create more drag… So what’s your point?
I think its fair if people call you an idiot for buying an SUV to haul shit - there are far better vehicles for the job.
Yes, better drive a truck instead of taking my trailer with me just when it’s necessary, so I take more space and have worse fuel economy 👍
I mean with reasoning skills like that I’m not sure you should be qualified to drive either of those things lol
I have a small trailer. Towing capacity of my 2003 Subaru WRX is 1500 lbs. So I guess two trips? Truth be told, that’s why I have the trailer. For when I need to move a decent volume of random crap for work.
I don’t think the people here are complaining about pickups when used for work, but they are shit vehicles for daily driving. And, this is my personal opinion, crew cabs are usually not utilized to transport workers. More than not, I expect they are because they think they’ll take the family or kids in it. Even then they usually drive without any passengers.
I get that a lot of workers don’t want to have two vehicles, but pickups are not good daily drivers.
By picking up a phone and calling a company. Checkmate
Two words: commercial van. Seriously, they’re great.
Pickups are just worse vans.
Can’t fit an ATV in a van, and no I won’t use a trailer because I’m already using one. Trucks have their uses because vans don’t have an open top.
Seriously discussion here always feels impossible. They’re sitting shit taking the truck while in a Euro city with great public transit. BOTH are unnecessary with the right context.
There are many things you can’t fit in a van. There are many things that fit in a van, but don’t fit in a pickup truck.
Generally, a van fits more things, takes up less spacs, has a better visibility, are more efficient and don’t look ridiculous.
And yes, believe it or not, there are vans that fit ATVs.
That’s a good way to get run over by an ATV in a crash.
Yes, in both pickup trucks and vans.
Let’s ignore that people have been using vans in Europe to haul heavy things for years. Let’s ignore that you can strap things down to the railing inside the van Let’s ignore the protective barrier between the driver and the cargo space.
10/10 argument.
I have driven a van with a cargo barrier, it was rated for 90KG. Do you know how heavy an ATV is? More than that.
The lashing points would also tear out in a big enough impact.
You’re talking shit.
I don’t care enough about towing ATVs, listing all possible vans, or you to continue this conversation.
All I know that, at least in Europe, we’ve gotten around fine for decades without pickups, and everyone in a pickup is assumed to be a knob or an american.
Do many trades genuinely work out of Kei trucks? I feel a lot of people here don’t understand just how tiny they are.
headlights shouldn’t be allowed that high on road vehicles, blinding menace on wheels.
I also started to see more of these in urban areas of europe. Not a huge amount but still recognizable. I dont get why one would buy something like this. You wont even be able to find a proper parking spot for these.
100% they are buying these to “protest” the “green agenda” or some bullshit like that.
That’s not very strong in EU, it’s mostly for ego, people buy cars that they think look like the image they want to display.
That’s not very strong in EU
??? Thats just wrong lol
In which EU country is there a notable percentage of people buying big cars to protest the green agenda? Never heard of it in France. I do know a lot of people who buy cars for the image and the social status however.
Here in Sweden it’s certainly not an insignificant opinion amongst car enthusiasts.
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Towing and hauling larger than car type things.
“Big car = strong!”
No, it tows and fits a rear facing seat comfortably. Not sure what’s so complicated here.
Yeah, you absolutely need a wankpanzer to install a child seat 🤡
Only biiiiiiig car fit child seat.
Only big car tow.
True story.
Only if you have a handful of brain cells.
👌👍
Why would the Golf not tow? This isn’t America where everything is automatic and the transmission would overheat when applying torque.
TBF you mostly get auto golfs these days. Manuals are rare on most new cars.
That’s a Polo, not a Golf and show me a Golf (let alone a Polo!) towing over 5k lbs and I’ll show you an idiot with a death wish.
Oh and again, you don’t know anything about car with your “manual vs automatic” bullshit.
A car frame is not rated for more than 1500lbs. You can’t tow anything but the smallest of trailers . Brake overheating as well as other issues can make that dangerous.
Polos tow 1 to 1.2t. And yes I know what a fluid coupling is as well as thermodynamics.
Yes. Both cars fit the same amount of people but one driver is carrying a smaller package.
I see you know the driver of the truck. 😈
ayy lmao
I think the most absurd is, that even former basic cars like the Polo get bigger and bigger. Modern Polos seem to take up more space than a gen. 1, 2, or even 3 Golf - but with barely more space inside.
Effects are, they take up more public space when curb parking, perversely hindering their brothers to get through. Some just barely fit single garages built in the 50ies, totally inconveniencing the driver trying to get out. One’d thing people buying these would see these self created problems, but apparently not.
Ok but a lot of that space is taken up by crumple zones and the like, things that make far fewer people die. Euro NCAP legislation drives a lot of the change you are seeing, and a lot of it for the better.
Completely agree, Crumple zones, sound deadening, side impact safety bars, airbags, rollover reinforcement, even just the structure of the seats has changed dramatically over time. Sit in a mk1 golf or polo and marvel at the exterior coloured painted metal on the inside of the car, and now think, how was it ok to make a car with this little safety?
Crumple zones do not reflect the ridiculous proportions of that pickup truck.
The VW has perfectly fine crumple zones for a collision with another car of up to double it’s mass and size. They are also designed to give pedestrians a fighting chance of minimal injury in built up areas.
Due to the arrival of these pickups, all cars need to get bigger and more reinforced to deal with a collision.
Trucks are actually the vehicles that have increased in size the least if you compare the same models (same brand, same cab and bed), height is the only major difference that make them seem much bigger than the older models and that height is due in part to safety standards, including the capacity to hold 1.5 times their weight on their roof.
I hate how not mini the Mini is now.
I mean, the Mini Cooper S is really only 7” longer and 200lbs more than it was a decade ago, and the rest of the dimensions are pretty much the same. There are loud of other models they make which I do agree aren’t very small lol
a decade ago
That wasn’t a MINI either. The last really small MINI was produced 23 years ago. See also here: https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/mini-cooper-1990-3-door-hatchback-vs-mini-cooper-2013-3-door-hatchback/
They don’t see their big car being the issue. They complain about parking spaces so small these days that they “have to” use up multiple/park halfway on the curb/block the biking lane.
Yeah basically all modern cars have tiny interior volumes, even tho externally they are huge.
As a comparison, my 2014 Nissan Note can maximally carry 2012 liters. The 2023 Renault Espace - a label whose name literally means spacious - can only carry 1818 liters. And that’s while it’s 50cm taller, wider and longer than the Nissan while weighing a whopping 50% more.
I don’t know about interior volume, but the only modern cars that I’ve been in that I actually considered spacious on the insides are those newer Civic models. Like from 2015 or so. My friend has one of them, they’re decently compact from the outside, but my god the only time I’ve had that much legspace and headroom in a car was in vans.
Now, admittedly, you’re not gonna be hauling sofas and fridges with one, but as a people mover and grocery getter? Really damn good.
Exactly. I honestly think my 2 door saloon has more capacity than all these light SUVs.
I’m seeing these in London now. Why are we importing the absolute worst of US transportation fucks ups?
How else are you going to let people know you lost the genetic lottery?
Can you store up to 10 corpses on that Polo?
It seems like a lot of people here don’t understand that circumstances might be different in different places. This post itself assumes the only reason is to transport people, but the truck can do more than that.
If I lived in a rural place and needed something that could tow, transport, and go over tougher terrain, I could see the usefulness of having a truck around. Not everything is in a comfy city where everything is within a couple miles.
Now where I currently live, I’d never dream of getting a truck like that. So much hassle and the roads are too small. But I could see it being useful for someone else.
The truck still doesn’t need to be that big. Trucks have gotten absolutely massive with no appreciable difference in bed size. Yes yes, of course, bigger truck = more towing and load capacity, but honestly there’s got to be a reasonable limit where something becomes a commercial vehicle, and the limit needs to be much lower than the current standard.
Reminds me of the ever growing number of blades on a mach razer.
Yes yes, of course, bigger truck = more towing and load capacity
Bigger, longer trucks are also more stable for towing, which is particularly useful if you’re towing livestock. Animals moving in a stock trailer are much less stable than a trailer full of equally heavy equipment.
But that’s honestly pretty niche. The average pickup driver doesn’t own horses.
Excuse me sir. This is a /c/fuckcars. We are just here to fuckcars because for reasons. We are not here for nuance. If people need big cars because their lives depended on it the they should change their lives /s
We all understand there are actual uses for a large truck. The issue is A) these trucks keep increasing in size well beyond what is practically needed, and B) more and more people who don’t have a practical use for these vehicles are commuting to work in them. The average person driving a large truck today does not live on a farm. They live in the suburbs and use it to commute to their office job and occasionally to grab a can of paint from home Depot.
These tanks aren’t safe around pedestrians or smaller cars, they take up way too much space and either don’t fit in most parking spots or necessitate the building bigger and bigger parking lots, they’re fuel inefficient, their headlights are obnoxiously high and blind everyone else at night, etc.
They’re obnoxious, dangerous, harmful to the environment, and simply unnecessary for the vast majority of people, so fuck 'em.
You can’t possibly know each person’s reasoning on why they may need or not need a particular thing. Saying someone cannot get it at all will end up hurting the little guy. The person why can’t go through all the hoops to get some random exception for their specific use case.
You talk about it being dangerous, doesn’t every driver go through roughly the same certification process for that state? If you’re problem is the quality of their driving, you should be pushing for higher standards for getting a license
You say they are wasteful on gas. Wouldn’t that mean the owner would need to pay extra money out of pocket to maintain it’s use? They are bearing the cost extra cost of ownership, so why not let them use it? For example, you are probably paying for internet. Should I be allowed to stop you from using the internet you paid for because I don’t agree with your reasoning? No, and that’s completely ridiculous.
You can’t possibly know each person’s reasoning on why they may need or not need a particular thing. Saying someone cannot get it at all will end up hurting the little guy. The person why can’t go through all the hoops to get some random exception for their specific use case.
I absolutely can. Look at trucks from 50 years ago and compare them to the monstrosities of today
The trucks being sold today are ridiculously oversized and I can say pretty confidently that no one actually needs a vehicle that size for 99.999% of use cases. Car manufacturers are the only ones that benefit from this arms race to sell bigger and tankier vehicles to people for commuting.
You talk about it being dangerous, doesn’t every driver go through roughly the same certification process for that state? If you’re problem is the quality of their driving, you should be pushing for higher standards for getting a license
They’re dangerous because of their size, not because of who drives them. A collision between a giant truck and a small passenger car has a high likelihood of severely injuring or killing the occupants of the small passenger car, A) because of the weight of the larger truck, and B) because the collision safety features of a small car are only engineered to protect well in a collision with another similarly sized vehicle.
Also, the sight-lines for these behemoths is pathetic. The Abrams M1 Battle tank has better forward visibility than a modern F250.
You say they are wasteful on gas. Wouldn’t that mean the owner would need to pay extra money out of pocket to maintain it’s use? They are bearing the cost extra cost of ownership, so why not let them use it? For example, you are probably paying for internet. Should I be allowed to stop you from using the internet you paid for because I don’t agree with your reasoning? No, and that’s completely ridiculous.
We’re all paying for the environmental impacts of hydrocarbon usage. Low-efficiency vehicles should not be used for commuting.
Looked at the image you provided. I can see your point about some of the sightlines. For regular commuting in most circumstances, I’ll give you it. But that’s the thing, you seem to be assuming a very specific circumstance and applying it to everything. You are trying to take a role of a general passenger vehicle for daily commute and applying it to a vehicle meant for work.
So yes, for regular commuting I’d say you are 100% right. But there are uses outside of such a limited scope.
So everyone agrees then?
The only difference between you two is that you have different beliefs about the owners of these vehicles.
I also believe that these are mostly not used for work, but rather as ego-boosting commuter vehicles.
I was pushing back against the idea that the vehicles shouldn’t exist and nobody should have them. I definitely seen some people who probably don’t need it.
From my personal anecdotal experience, I know someone who lives out of a trailer and they are mobile all the time. It doesn’t make sense to have a truck + sedan because they move around all the time. So instead they have one of those big trucks to lug a home trailer that they can drop off and then go do anything else they need in the area. Very specific niche case, probably would be ridiculed here if seen driving on the streets.
People who need trucks hate these things
Get the Ordnungsamt involved, it’s illegal to park like that. It’s too heavy and big to try to park like a car.
Lol good luck with that. At least where I am the Ordnungsamt is beyond useless.
I see those pick-ups all the time and almost never are they properly parked. Just like in the picture lmao.
In most of the EU, you’ll get a hefty fine for parking on the pavement. Take a picture wirh the license number and report anonymously.
In my part of the world cops have written warning to those who report these people because “taking a photo of their license plate is a violation of their privacy”.
Remember when I said anonymously?
Karen spotted 👀
Define what you think “a Karen” is, because I don’t think you understand what you’re typing, and just trying to be “cool” on the internets.
OK George W. 😅
Anybody who is so offended by it that they take a picture of a parking violation to anonymously report it is showing pure Karen mentality
Define what you think “a Karen” is, because I don’t think you understand what you’re typing, and just trying to be “cool” on the internets.
“Karen” is a gendered slur that everyone is pretending isn’t misogynist and abusive towards people named Karen until (checks calendar) 2025.
Fuck off Karen.
That’s not what a Karen is at all. A Karen reports someone for doing things that arent a crime and that’s why they’re unreasonable (often against people of color). Like when that woman called the cops on that dude leaving his own home.
Also parking on the pavement is dangerous and reduces accessibility for other people navigating that. So yes, report them.
I call you a damn Karen too, that conversation is long over and I don’t want to talk to you.
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