• AA5B@lemmy.world
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    24 hours ago

    Imagine the savings to society with the energy independence from green energy

    • shut down most of the continent wide natural gas distribution infrastructure
    • shut down most of the continent wide gasoline distribution infrastructure
    • cut way back on the military when we no longer have to protect oil kingdoms
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      5 hours ago

      There were recently a couple of bad gas leaks locally and it was an interesting reminder that there’s these natural gas lines laid crisscrossing the northern US that are just explosions waiting to happen. There’s been some nasty ones too

      The unavoidable conclusion in today’s world is that we need to be phasing out natural gas. It can’t be cleanly turned off and back on, it’s wildly dangerous if it leaks out due to poor install/maintaince or natural disasters, it can explode if someone happens to drill into a gas line (I know a guy who did internet installs and at the time he joked about how “yeah you just drill holes into folks homes to poke the cables through and hope you don’t hear hissing after drilling”) during a house fire it just feeds more extremely potent fuel into the fire until turned off. About the only benefit is when it’s extremely cold out, such as when the destabilizing polar vortex whips through, natural gas is probably the most energy efficient option to keep homes and businesses inhabitable

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        Plus methane is a much stronger greenhouse gas than CO2, even with the shorter lifetime. We seem entirely unable to reduce methane leaks or even measure them against natural gas usage.

        But from a consumer perspective.

        • where I live, electricity is much more expensive than natural gas, maybe double the cost per unit of energy
        • and I pay even more for 75% renewables
        • I just got a heat pump installed for my addition. So far temps have gotten just a bit under freezing and it has no problems keeping up

        But that adds up to a reality where the cost threshold is mid-40°F’s. While it may be an argument in favor of solar, I don’t have enough unshaded roof to generate more than half my usage

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      18 hours ago

      I know your intentions are good, but this reads as a rather damning list of why a bunch of people are going to fight tooth and nail to keep the status quo.