• pedz@lemmy.ca
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    19 hours ago

    You look down on people driving a car they can’t repair themselves.

    I look down on people driving a vehicle they can’t power themselves.

    We are not the same.

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    21 hours ago

    I’ve experienced the opposite situation lots of times.

    Just because I ride a bike does not mean I am a mechanic or fix stuff myself. Far from it, I leave that to a professional. Most people seem to think all men tinker on their bikes.

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      I wouldn’t say tinker, but if you have a bike, I kinda expect you know how to change the oil, lube+tension the chain, change the plugs, battery, tire maybe, just stuff you have to do frequently anyway that you can do in the tine it takes to get to the shop.

      The alternative is spending a ton of time and money.

      Also they’re much easier to work on than cars, especially if there’s no cowling.

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        But why? I am not a capable handyman, but still want to ride a bike. Still cheaper than car and low maintenance only riding on city streets. As a more efficient (gas and space) commuting vehicle.

        Wouldn’t that be gatekeeping? 😁

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          It is intimidating if you think of car maintenance, but I cannot impress how easy these things are.

          If its not a fully fared bike, step 1 of pulling the plugs:

          Pull the plugs. They’re right there. For the oil, you open the cap at the bottom of the clutch housing (get an oil pan first). If the oil isn’t pretty black, you’re changing it too soon. There’s a hole at the top you put the new oil in. You can stick a screwdriver in to see the color of the oil to tell if you need a change.

          I wouldn’t say you shouldn’t walk if you’re afraid to cross the street, I would be confused that someone thinks they’re unable to.

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            Hm, interesting.

            We have quite a different perspective there!

            For one, a car is identical to me. It’s literally the same combustion engine and stuff around. Of course some different details but really doesn’t make much difference. And I know how the engine works and other various stuff.

            However, that does not make me a good mechanic. That’s why I pay one. Aka if I am riding on a death machine with 2 wheels with high rpm it’d better be maintained by someone qualified.

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              Do you call a plumber every time your sink or toilet backs up?

              Maintenance is one thing, major repairs are another.

              I wouldn’t call a plumber first thing to unclog a toilet, and I wouldn’t go to a mechanic just for them to dump oil out and measure the right amount of oil back in.

              Now if the engine is making weird noises, or it’s not shifting right or braking correctly, then yeah, go to a mechanic. Mechanics are way more familiar with internal workings and can diagnose strange issues.

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                We’re in Europe, our sanitary installations work differently here and mostly doesn’t clog up and if it does - yes, after a few attempts you will call a plumber.

                Anyhow I feel massively gatekept if I am not maintaining my vehicle myself. Wow.

                Thw amount of assumptions made is staggering.

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        19 hours ago

        I’ve never removed any cowling or plastic fenders and ended up with the same number of unbroken plastic pieces afterwards.

        And as far as time is concerned, I can’t really think of anything on a car that’s worth doing. I changed my snow tires, so that’s a thing. Other than that, can I? Sure. Is that how I want to spend my time, just fucking pissed off? No.

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      I’m guilty of this to varying degrees. All motorcyclists and any bicyclists that are doing it as a hobby. I get it for cars where, in my entire continent, they are pretty much a requirement. You have to have a car (let’s not do a car-free digression right now).

      But motorcycling? Or trail biking? Those are electives. I have bias because I’m mechanical and the people I get along with tend to also be mechanical. Both hobbies are ones where mechanical issues are frequent enough that you’d rather not be stranded for something basic - or, at least, that’s my thought process. With a bicycle, there’s not a whole lot to it (to me) so why not have the pocket multi tool that could disassemble the whole bike and why not know how to use it? With motorcycles, they have some flukes and tows are so tricky/pricey that I’d like to exhaust all my diagnostic options first. I guess I do have the same view on car drivers as well, but in limited ways. Namely, how to change a flat. I charitably change about 3 a year randomly on the road.

      That’s my thought process. It matches my initial facial expression. I try to not put it out verbally though and just help if I can.

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        As I said in the other answer, it’s a commuting vehicle for me. Possibly this especially here on lemmy is a slightly different thing since the US - in Europe’s eyes has lots of space for more and more cars but here it has a lot of advantages to not use a car.

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    OMG the amount of gate keeping that goes on in car “communities” is beyond the pale, absurd and constantly shift.

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      Its really funny to see EVs coming on the scene with insane 0-60 times and horsepower numbers only for chuds to now claim that those things don’t matter.

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        EVs have completely killed “the car guy” to me. Like you can just buy a run-of-the-mill EV and it can easily have better overall performance characteristics, better energy efficiency, and require less maintenance than a random “sports car”.

        But hey, I guess it doesn’t go “vroom-vroom”, set off everyone’s car alarm on the street when it passes, and doesn’t function as a dead giveaway that you’re an asshole creep who is having trouble masking their psychopathy.

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        Seriously.

        I had a guy in an I forgot what something manly or whatever with rude stickers about liberals or something on the back try to beat me off the line when was driving my leaf.

        It was a complete joke. The instant torque evs have is ridiculous.

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      I saw a comment in a car thread in a general interest community that claimed that if you couldn’t drive with a manual gearbox, you shouldn’t be issued a license.

      I am a Swede and this was on a Swedish forum.

      Most people here knows how to drive manually, I don’t, and I drive far better than plenty of manual drivers.

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        if you couldn’t drive with a manual gearbox, you shouldn’t be issued a license

        For people who’ve had a genuine opportunity to learn and couldn’t figure it out then I would kind of support this. If someone can’t figure out a basic coordination exercise then I don’t really trust them to handle the controls of a couple of tons of moving vehicle.

        I do realise though that many people don’t have a proper opportunity to learn (no vehicle to do so in or a poor instructor) so most get an exception from this judgement.

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          I mean, I have tried to learn the manual gearbox, and I would have gotten it given more time, but it took me about a year to learn to drive an automatic, this was while working full time at the same time. So I decided that with the rise of EVs and automatic gearboxes, I didn’t want to spend another half a year learning something that is going away.

          I agree with you to a point, if you got the same kind of license taking the test in an automatic car as in a manual car, then I agree that a critical component is missing, but here in Sweden you are limited to only being allowed to drive automatic cars if you took the test in an automatic car.

          If I need to, I am absolutely not against learning a manual gearbox and taking a new test later.

          Me relying on an automatic gearbox does not make me a worse driver than the average driver.

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          For people who’ve had a genuine opportunity to learn and couldn’t figure it out then I would kind of support this. If someone can’t figure out a basic coordination exercise then I don’t really trust them to handle the controls of a couple of tons of moving vehicle.

          I assume, to maintain consistency of your judgment, you also regularly turn off ABS, traction control, cover up the backup camera screen only turning around and looking out your back window when reversing? An electric starter also is a bit of a luxury too, right? Do you usually push your car forward with your feet and pop the clutch to start the car, or are you a true purist that uses an old school handcrank mated to the engine’s crankshaft? Wouldn’t these all be, matching the theme of your definition, basic coordination exercises that someone must be able to handle to control them to control a couple of tons of moving vehicle?

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            Wouldn’t these all be, matching the theme of your definition, basic coordination exercises

            Correct. I would not expect people to know how to do these things but I would expect a competent person to be able to learn them.

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              Well, your gatekeeping is consistent, I’ll grant you that.

              You’re welcome to put your own effort into learning useless archaic skills, but I hope you can see why your opinion that other should (as determined by public policy on driving privileges) is in the minority on this. There was absolutely a time when spending time learning these things was necessary. That day has long since passed into history.

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        Oh yeah the Manual purists are the worst. I get it for hobby driving and project cars, but to hell with driving a manual for commuting.

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          Yeah, I see my 2021 Seat Leon FR PHEV hatchback as an appliance, it takes me where I want to go, I am only licensed to drive an automatic, but do so well.

          Now, after two and a half years of driving, I am thinking about learning the paddle shifter, but eh, it just seems like another distraction.

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            Wow there are actually different licenses for manual or automatic in your jurisdiction? Where I live you get a license to drive either type of car.

            There are different licenses for commercial vehicles here, but I am pretty sure they are for both manual and automatic.

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        As an American, I sort of understand that argument for Europe more, because everything I’ve read says manual is more common, but still, how often are you going to be in some scenario where you’re forced to drive a manual? Like if you’re bad at driving a bigger truck, you just shouldn’t do that on busy roads until your comfortable. I don’t view these types of things as necessary knowledge for driving.

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          Here in Sweden, since I took my test in an automatic car, I am not allowed to drive a manual car unless I pass a new test in a manual car.

          This is perfectly resonable, I would be a terrible driver in a manual car, but driving an automatic, I am perfectly fine.

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    “Oh? How many of the 45 product recalls on your Charger did you fix yourself instead of taking it to the dealer?”

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    I went into a servo with a star wars shirt on once, how dare I, I know, guy behind the counter did his absolute best to make sure I didn’t know enough about the franchise to be a TRUE fan, and I was just faking for attention.

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      I’d have hit him with “everything but the OG three and Clone Wars cartoon is dogshit anyway, fuck off.”

      Whether you agree with that or not it’ll probably piss him off and be funny.

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      21 hours ago

      Should have told him that Disney started sucking after the original trilogy. Watch him have a stroke.

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    Nothing in the world would elate me more than having a dbag who looks and acts like that tell me that I’m not a part of his group.

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      You need other people to feel validated or elated? Well you can’t call yourself a real lemming then.

      I look and act like a tool irl as well, trust me. You’re welcome.

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    He’s actually a human guy, not a car guy.
    A car guy is Bumblebee from Transformers.

    The man with the backwards hat is confused.