Just curious why is this entire thing even in the Android community? This is a privacy topic or a YouTube topic etc. There’s nothing about it that ties it to Android. Can we keep stuff like this out? It’s just one more topic that devolves into politics, scare speculation etc. Just read the comment threads if you need to see.
Exactly. People needs to know Android is not Google
when over half of the bug fixes and security patches come from Google, it’s a Google product.
and I’m saying that as an android user from /e/OS
Thats a google product but google apps and android are two diffrent product or atleast should be
Should be but at this point basically aren’t.
You can’t run AOSP on most phones and if you could you wouldn’t get the user experience most people expect from a phone.
Guess I need to get off of GMail more urgently.
I have Tuta, it’s good enough. Lots of storage for the price compared with others.
Friendly reminder that Tampermonkey has a script for this:
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/521089-youtube-age-restriction-bypass-stealth-version
Cool, if GrayJay could integrate similar functionality that’d be great.
There’s really
45 spaces in the main internet:- the public corporate web (YouTube, Facebook, twitter, Reddit, etc)
- the private corporate web (requires login to view any content, Software as a Service, Cloud Apps, etc)
- the public web (Wikimedia, Wikia, Archive.org)
- the indie web / small web
- private web - inaccessible except through login or through VPN or TOR/Onion, but not corporate (media servers, email servers, darkweb, file servers)
And currently the main issue is that the corporate web is intentionally trying to strangle the other spaces on the web.
But there are some movements against it, https://indieweb.org/ and https://neocities.com/ and https://smallweb.cc/
Edit: missed one of the spaces
What about the darknet?
That’s just private web with extra steps, really
And those extra steps make it wayyyy more private and secure.
But not any different in the context I’m talking about
That s beyond our borders. You must never go there,
Simbaquick_snailAt that point, you’re almost talking about a private web.
Accessable public information seems to me to be a different beast.
I’m slowly making peace with the thought of losing the internet as it is. Maybe it’ll become something broken you wade into from time to time, some sort of blinking, blabbering wasteland to scavenge valid, valuable information from and return to your oasis. Some people will stay trapped in there forever, but it’s useless to try to communicate with them.
So real
That’s what I said about my IP. Now I can’t watch YouTube. I mostly just use PeerTube
What do you even do there? I can almost never find anything to watch on PeerTube.
For me there are actually some people making videos I like. For example thelinuxexperiment, Veronica explain, privacy guides yeah not much though
Oh, me? I do more posting than viewing, honestly. If we all do the same, it solves this concern
If you mostly care about tech and especially Linux and Open Source there is some good content there. Other than that, good content is unfortunately few and far between.
Also good for homesteading/permaculture and anarchism it’s not all tech
I don’t understand what you do on YouTube.
I don’t enjoy it. I’ve never enjoyed it. I truly don’t understand how people can spend time watching it
Gotta support alternatives such as Peertube, Nebula… so there are nice places to find videos as YouTube becomes worse and worse.
It’s almost impossible for any of those to suceed beyond being niche because its not viable to run against the economics of scale and the practicality of the corporate solutions provided by the Big Techs companies in capitalist countries.
Believe me, I’ve tried to talk to real people about the dangers of sending data to a single company like Google (Alphabet) or Facebook (Meta) and depending on that for media comsumption, how it can and how it’s really used to manipulate public opinion on countries… The fact is that for non-tech and non-privacy minded people (which I’d sure Must be 99.9% of the population) they really don’t seem to care, they just wanna a “free” service that they turn on the TV and there are the videos of their “influencers” or YouTube channels to watch, on YouTube I really hate how it shoves ads like there’s no tomorrow nowadays every 5 minutes, but I also understand there’s a cost to run their business, I, myself, if were to pay for similar service provided without ads I’d pretty sure the YouTube Premium offering would still being a bargain since Google’s infractucture and running costs are really optimized.
So yeah, I really don’t believe any capitalist country can compete with the Big Techs companies, they are probably deeply rooted into common user behavior in all capitalist country, in the capitalist “democracies” it’s impossible to lobby against them in privacy concerns since they can easily sway public opinion in their favor with invisible chances to their content delivery, so anyone trying would have to have a lot of resources to do so (a popular movement without money funding in a capitalist society is basically doomed, theres a very pow chance to suceed imo) and any national alternative, or any actual alternative to their services is almost impossible to suceed since they already have their economy of scale set up with minimal costs and they can also run years on and on with a loss untill any competition does due to being unable to compete with their lower artificial prices.
I don’t know how or why you see ads on YouTube. I have been using firefox and before that whatever else, for a very long time. I have not seen an ad of any kind on YouTube in many MANY years. And since sponsor block came out I’ve only seen a few that managed to slip through. I just fast forward. But why would anyone suffer YouTube with ads? You’re volunteering for it at this point because it’s insanely easy to block them.
Imagine YouTube telling you to submit ID to prove that your 20 year old account is 18+ lmao
Also, imagine living in a country pretending that it’s amazing while they treat their citizens like they do… United States of North Korea vibes
Reddit does if you are in the UK, and reddit marks loads of stuff suited to under 18s as NSFW. News about what Israel is doing in Palestine for example.
following the facebook method.
Youtube/Google/Alphabet out of aaaaall the companies out there, should already have a mindblowing amount of info on 99% of its users. There’s no need at all to even ask for ID.
They want solid evidence for authorities, remember USA has gone full Nazi from the very top all the way down
It’ll be super weird to pirate free youtube videos, but I’ll fuckin’ do it.
How do you even do that?
Grayjay and Newpipe (and its forks) can do that, as well as just watching it like regular youtube, but also the option to select from other platforms - like peertube, as one example - to watch.
I guess yt-dlp everything lol
I’m assuming that mandatory ID checks would make yt-dlp not work
Unless you have access to an age-verified account(that is not yours), in that case you can just pass the cookies
Hunter2, that’s your time to shine!
They are going to start permanently banning people from YouTube by ID if that becomes popular enough
There’s PipePipe.
Between the age of my account and the fact I pay for premium, if they ever ask for ID they can go fuck themselves and I’ll go back to as blockers and fresh accounts
Lol “paying for youtube”
I mean, people pay for Netflix or Amazon or whatever, why is YouTube different? It’s my primary video platform and I watch more than 50 hours a week (I’m low balling that number to hell as well).
While paying is more convenient for me than breaking their shit, I’ll pay. Also means creators actually get paid for my views as well
nothing wrong with that.
you support the people you watch without having to see ads. also, comes with YT music.
it’s a pretty good deal
But then you end up giving Google even more information compared to using it logged out.
yeah, that is definitely a trade-off
It also monetarily feed into the youtube network effect of there being no other viable options. Maybe youtube becoming completely unprofitable for creators is a necessary evil so there becomes less and less incentive to put content there.
I mean yeah if everyone would coordinate. We’re such a small minority on here it doesn’t really do anything on its own. If we got the creators themselves onboard…
Look into browser Finger printing. The logged out parts does not do much nowadays.
Yeah, but having a Google account, tying payment to it, and having viewing history all tied to it is even worse. There’s a reason Microsoft wants people to use an account on their OS is tying stuff like extended support to it because a dedicated profile is still more reliable and accurate than trying to rely solely on finger printing.
One is so good you don’t even need to try to finger print because you already did all the work for them logging in.
I agree. All I am saying that in the limit where we all use services that respect privacy and stay away from big tech, we still have a major issue that we currently don’t have a solution for and is very hard to avoid or eliminate completely.
And the paying user average revenue for creators is higher than ad users. At least it was when I last looked.
Tipping your creators 5€/month or smth is even better. No google, Amazon in between, no charges…
yeah except if I watch a random video from somebody they wouldn’t get any money with this method.
I can’t afford to give everyone 5€ per month
You guys pay for that ? No ads here on you tube
Do you need to borrow a flashlight? It seems you’ve gotten far enough up your own butt that you might need some help finding your way back out again
Lol do you pay for youtube?
You know you’re gonna have to go elbow deep to hand them that flashlight. . ?
I still have the original Google Play Music All Access intro deal of $7.99/month from 2013.
They contractually can’t raise the price on me ever. 12 years so far.I couldn’t keep paying for it in good conscience when they killed the original Play Music app and along with it: their awesome selection of curated playlists, the best library organization I’ve seen before or since, and the critical one, the ability to upload your own music that wasn’t available already. I just can’t stand YouTube as a music organization platform.
Edit: Oh! And not to mention the I’m Feeling Lucky button that somehow no one else has managed to replicate.
But in exchange for loosing those music features, I gained ad free YouTube Premium.
So yah, I keep the subscription.I really miss that “I’m feeling lucky” button. I found a lot of good music with that.
You pay each month that amount for music ,😂
That’s how much I pay for YouTube Premium.
I also buy CDs, or Bandcamp downloads directly for those I really like, and want to donate to.
I “curate” whole discographies of stuff that I want to “archive”.
But when someone recommends music I haven’t heard of, I load up their most popular stuff on YouTube Music and listen to a bunch there, ad free. Then decide if or how I obtain more.I use newpipe or metrolist on my phone,freetube on my PC , never have I seen ads from yt.
I’ve tried those. They aren’t as good as YouTube Premium.
As a newpipe user myself, are we now pretending this doesn’t happen for 90% of videos?
Have just tested it with totally random subjects, such as grapheneos, supertramp, Hollywood undead, interstellar, trump, everything in working order. Tested with mullvad VPN on (exit zwitersland), or off (belgium)
Try reinstall newpipedeleted by creator
I alredy quit youtube when commercial crap hit the fan. Never used Zuckerbergs surveillance anyway. Very happy to spend more time on my real life
i watch it, but it has to be adblock, otherwise it becomes intolerable.
protip: if you wish to watch on your android TV, get an app called smarttube next. You’ll need to side load it (so i don’t know if it will work much longer with this shit that google is up to. don’t know if their block on sideloading affects android tv), but once it is installed, it auto updates and shit. no more adverts on youtube.
The good news is Google seems to have completely forgotten about Android TV so they probably won’t tamper with it or if they do there won’t be any compelling reasons to upgrade
Gonna be fun if they ask me to verify my age. My account is old enough to drink.
Yeah. I’ve never been asked but now I wonder if that’s why. Haven’t heard of anyone with a drinking aged account having to do this.
I will use free tube as long as it functions. Wish my creators would go somewhere else.
