When they’re winning, especially if they win sufficiently, they can’t just sit on their hands
Yes they can! And do! Because they already won, without even promising to do things! You keep asserting random shit like “they can’t” “they have to” but there’s no basis for it.
What logic is there to this? Why would the progressives suddenly just hang they’re hats especially if they’re being voted in through primaries, state or local politics? It’s clearly a selling point within the DNC so that doesn’t math out.
What are talking about? They don’t need selling points to win over progressives if progressives are already reliably voting for them when they run on a centrist platform. I’m not talking about “progressives suddenly hanging their hats,” and I have no idea where you got that from.
Forced by what forces? Once again, they’re fine with losing because you will be backed into a wall or people who aren’t idealists will be backed into a wall and they can again resume the ratchet mechanism.
No, they aren’t fine with losing. Well, maybe they are, but if you’re “fine with losing” for long enough, eventually you’ll stop being a credible political force and be replaced by another entity that actually wants to win.
This whole thesis is just an extremely convoluted way to reconcile the fact that the Dems suck with justifying voting dem anyway. It’s more motivated reasoning than actual truth.
What they’re actually “fine with” is you continuing to give them the support they ask you for, despite it being part of your five dimensional chess strategy to own them. They don’t really give a shit about the difference between a loyal true believer centrist and a progressive as long as they both find reasons to vote for them consistently. It’s just silly to think that supporting and voting for a politician is anything but the exact thing they want from you, it’s basically a conspiracy theory. It’s just being a centrist with a bajillion extra steps in your reasoning to pretend otherwise.
No, it has nothing to do with “being mad,” or “naievity” or “they did bad so we have to punish them.” They will give in to our demands, or they will lose. And if they would rather keep losing, then we will simply replace them. It’s really a very straightforward tactic, it’s just a matter of understanding a very basic level of how to negotiate and also having the spine to follow through.
Frankly I think that your perspective is delusional and I’m not really interested in discussing it further.
Frankly I think that your perspective is delusional and I’m not really interested in discussing it further.
before putting in reasonable effort.
You perspective here truly is naive and knee-jerk reaction based.
You say you “simply” replace them when that is not an option in a 2 party system, and would cede power to fascists presumably until millions died fighting for that to end.
You continue to fundamentally misunderstand what motivates the DNC and pathetically play right into what they would like.
In my previous comment they couldn’t just sit because of the threat of progressives and the fact that they could no longer simply run on undoing some of the harm the previous republican administration did.
It is clear you did not actually read my comment to take in meaning but instead to try to reassert your opinion which has clearly been proven not to work, over and over again for decades.
Your logic that progressives would have no pull if democrats won makes no sense because they then would be the threatening force taking over from the Conservative old gaurd.
I feel you’ve been stuck in echo chambers wishing for counterproductive idealism (revolutions you won’t start or third parties that can’t win) or status quo supporting ideas (“”“applying pressure to democrats by letting them lose”“” (crazy you think that makes sense)) so long your knee-jerk reaction to a different perspective is to not actually think it through and repeat as you’ve been told.
Yes they can! And do! Because they already won, without even promising to do things! You keep asserting random shit like “they can’t” “they have to” but there’s no basis for it.
What are talking about? They don’t need selling points to win over progressives if progressives are already reliably voting for them when they run on a centrist platform. I’m not talking about “progressives suddenly hanging their hats,” and I have no idea where you got that from.
No, they aren’t fine with losing. Well, maybe they are, but if you’re “fine with losing” for long enough, eventually you’ll stop being a credible political force and be replaced by another entity that actually wants to win.
This whole thesis is just an extremely convoluted way to reconcile the fact that the Dems suck with justifying voting dem anyway. It’s more motivated reasoning than actual truth.
What they’re actually “fine with” is you continuing to give them the support they ask you for, despite it being part of your five dimensional chess strategy to own them. They don’t really give a shit about the difference between a loyal true believer centrist and a progressive as long as they both find reasons to vote for them consistently. It’s just silly to think that supporting and voting for a politician is anything but the exact thing they want from you, it’s basically a conspiracy theory. It’s just being a centrist with a bajillion extra steps in your reasoning to pretend otherwise.
No, it has nothing to do with “being mad,” or “naievity” or “they did bad so we have to punish them.” They will give in to our demands, or they will lose. And if they would rather keep losing, then we will simply replace them. It’s really a very straightforward tactic, it’s just a matter of understanding a very basic level of how to negotiate and also having the spine to follow through.
Frankly I think that your perspective is delusional and I’m not really interested in discussing it further.
Luckily I read your
before putting in reasonable effort.
You perspective here truly is naive and knee-jerk reaction based.
You say you “simply” replace them when that is not an option in a 2 party system, and would cede power to fascists presumably until millions died fighting for that to end.
You continue to fundamentally misunderstand what motivates the DNC and pathetically play right into what they would like.
In my previous comment they couldn’t just sit because of the threat of progressives and the fact that they could no longer simply run on undoing some of the harm the previous republican administration did.
It is clear you did not actually read my comment to take in meaning but instead to try to reassert your opinion which has clearly been proven not to work, over and over again for decades.
Your logic that progressives would have no pull if democrats won makes no sense because they then would be the threatening force taking over from the Conservative old gaurd.
I feel you’ve been stuck in echo chambers wishing for counterproductive idealism (revolutions you won’t start or third parties that can’t win) or status quo supporting ideas (“”“applying pressure to democrats by letting them lose”“” (crazy you think that makes sense)) so long your knee-jerk reaction to a different perspective is to not actually think it through and repeat as you’ve been told.