• brachiosaurus@mander.xyz
    202·
    1 day ago

    A call for human rights that can’t be taken away by the first idiot is not anarchism, it’s the most basic common sense and logic upon which a good society should be built.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      1 day ago

      And if we want to have actual rights, then we must build a system in which no one has the power to take them away to begin with.

      So, they had me up till here. But what I think they’re trying to describe is a dual-power relationship between the state and labor, by which the powers of the state are checked by the power of working people. That’s an idealistic vision of the future, but it isn’t a proven strategy. Just the opposite - its a strategy riddled with more failures than successes.

      A call for human rights that can’t be taken away by the first idiot is not anarchism

      The belief that we can build a system to self-perpetuate civil rights is at the heart of the anarchist ideology.

      But the promise of an immaculate statutory framework that denies any individual or coalition power is a false one. Power is a consequence of social relationships and control of physical capital by individuals. There is no established structure that can prevent a cartel of insiders from seizing control of critical infrastructure. They don’t even have to be particularly powerful. Any sufficiently motivated Houthi brigade can shut down the Suez Canal. Any sufficiently popular social media platform can derail a positive social movement (witness what happened to Occupy Wall Street or BLM or the Hong Kong Democracy protests or the disintegration of the Yugoslavian government).

      Civil Rights can only ever be aspirational in a world where a local monopoly on violence undoes in days what a community spent generations building.

      • brachiosaurus@mander.xyz
        11·
        4 hours ago

        But what I think they’re trying to describe is a dual-power relationship between the state and labor

        They didn’t mention labor, they are talking about power as in the power the government or a president has

        But the promise of an immaculate statutory framework that denies any individual or coalition power is a false one.

        I don’t picture anarchism as a system where a statutory framework is put in place

        Power is a consequence of social relationships and control of physical capital by individuals.

        I don’t like much this generalization, you are describing the power over control of physical capital, in our scenario the power is granted through law and established through police

        There is no established structure that can prevent a cartel of insiders from seizing control of critical infrastructure.

        Something we can be sure neither established or non-established structure can’t change is the truth, nobody can change the fact that 1+1=2, they can only lie about it for some time

        Civil Rights can only ever be aspirational in a world where a local monopoly on violence undoes in days what a community spent generations building.

        It took humans millions or years to learn how to hold a stick, perhaps it just take more time and effort

      • ɯᴉuoʇuɐ@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        3·
        1 day ago

        Any sufficiently popular social media platform can derail a positive social movement (witness what happened to […] the disintegration of the Yugoslavian government)

        6/25/1991 Janša and Tuđman blocked Milošević on Twitter, never forget 😞🙏