they’re already ripping people out of their homes at gunpoint, no badges, ko identification whatsoever, then sending them to whoknowswhere with zero record or due process whatsoever…

if that’s not worth fighting over then nothing in this country is. rome collapsed 20+ years ago, people just took their sweet time waking up to that fact.

shit isnt “going back to normal” when trump croaks…i hope everyone coping on that idea has a plan for when “normal” doesn’t manifest itself.

Let this become normal. The only good ICE agent is a dead one. Enough of this liberal collaborator silk gloves bullshit. You guys had you chance to stop fascism and you fucking did nothing.

Yeah. It’s generally a better idea to keep gunfire out of it, simply because that gives a good pretext for them to do gunfire back. It’s like starting a fistfight with your abusive spouse: I mean, morally it’s fine, but they already have abilities within that domain. That’s the whole problem. That’s where they are comfortable, that’s where they can win.

https://www.files.ethz.ch/isn/126900/8008_FDTD.pdf

What is to be done in such circumstances? The obvious possibilities seem useless. Constitutional and legal barriers, judicial decisions, and public opinion are normally ignored by dictators. Understandably, reacting to the brutalities, torture, disappearances, and killings, people often have concluded that only violence can end a dictatorship. Angry victims have sometimes organized to fight the brutal dictators with whatever violent and military capacity they could muster, despite the odds being against them. These people have often fought bravely, at great cost in suffering and lives. Their accomplishments have sometimes been remarkable, but they rarely have won freedom. Violent rebellions can trigger brutal repression that frequently leaves the populace more helpless than before.

Whatever the merits of the violent option, however, one point is clear. By placing confidence in violent means, one has chosen the very type of struggle with which the oppressors nearly always have superiority. The dictators are equipped to apply violence overwhelmingly. However long or briefly these democrats can continue, eventually the harsh military realities usually become inescapable. The dictators almost always have superiority in military hardware, ammunition, transportation, and the size of military forces. Despite bravery, the democrats are (almost always) no match.

When conventional military rebellion is recognized as unrealistic, some dissidents then favor guerrilla warfare. However, guerrilla warfare rarely, if ever, benefits the oppressed population or ushers in a democracy. Guerrilla warfare is no obvious solution, particularly given the very strong tendency toward immense casualties among one’s own people. The technique is no guarantor against failure, despite supporting theory and strategic analyses, and sometimes international backing. Guerrilla struggles often last a very long time. Civilian populations are often displaced by the ruling government, with immense human suffering and social dislocation.

Even when successful, guerrilla struggles often have significant long-term negative structural consequences. Immediately, the attacked regime becomes more dictatorial as a result of its countermeasures. If the guerrillas should finally succeed, the resulting new regime is often more dictatorial than its predecessor due to the centralizing impact of the expanded military forces and the weakening or destruction of the society’s independent groups and institutions during the struggle — bodies that are vital in establishing and maintaining a democratic society.