As millions of Americans are about to go hungry due to the US government refusing to fund SNAP, just remember that only two countries voted against making food a basic human right. The US and the terrorist colony of Israel
Reminder to not take “infographics” as fact until you look at the source. Which this post doesn’t provide.
It wasn’t in November, but December, with 186 in favor, 2 not in favor, and 5 non-voters.
So 1 month difference and missing 6 yes?
1 month difference, 1 year difference, 6 missed votes, 60 missed votes, Either the information is correct, or it isn’t. There’s no excuse to have incorrect dates and votes when the information is available to everyone.
The reason for the difference is because OP didn’t bother to look into any of it. He probably just heard from someone that USA and Israel voted No on this topic, and that was enough, the rest didn’t matter to him.
So, this is why you should be cautions
The yea, missing, or missed votes dont matter. Both times the resolution has come up at the UN the only ones to vote no have been the US and Israel
Instead of owning it, telling us you’ll double check your facts for next time, you’re just excusing it with “at least the ones to vote no was correct”. Which is quite disappointing
You added no relevant context
That’s why I usually just downvote info graphics to be on the safe side.
Thank you!!
The US and Israel, who would have thought?
Hey that looks like this map!
As if the countries that host the child factories care about CRC. Atleast the US and Israel aren’t hypocritical enough to sign something that they wont enforce either way.
Ok boomer
Ok cunt
Lol I see somebody read another post recently…
I keep that map in my favorites to post
That’s not a real argument, just typical whatabout-ism.
countries that host the child factories
Ah yes, the dreaded child factories. The ones in Sweden are particularly bad. Bought a defective child a few months back. Kept asking for food.
Oh deary me. In what world did you think Sweden was one of the countries i’m talking about?
I fucking hate USA and Israel
Ironic countries to currently be the most like Nazi Germany, but here we are.
Nazi Germany was directly inspired by the US’s manifest destiny, racist laws and racial theorists from the US, we blocked Jewish refugees from coming to the US in 30s and after the war gave several prominent Nazis positions in US organizations, the US is called ‘The Great Satan’ for a reason.
Yes, but we were also a large part of why Nazi Germany was defeated. Hence the irony.
If Germany stuck to genociding Jews in their own country there would be no war. Even the US didn’t get involved until they got sttacked directly.
Regardless of the reason, it happened.
Right but you said it was ironic that the US is now like Nazi Germany. Implying they fought the Nazis out of anti-Nazism only to end up like Nazis themselves. That would indeed be ironic but that’s not what happened. The US were always like Nazis, the Nazis were literally inspired by America. They only fought the Nazis because they were attacked not because they had some moral integrity.
The U.S. fought the Nazis because the U.S. predator class did not like the competition.
No, the irony in the US’s case is that they were instrumental in their downfall, regardless of any hypocrisy. Germany were portrayed as the bad guys, the ultimate evil. And they were attacked by Japan, not Germany - they could have just gone after them, but chose to enter the whole war.
Tip: to find the other one, zoom in on the middle east
to people saying the resolution is useless theatrics and just symbolic. then if there were no consequences, why the fuck would the US and Israel vote against it?
Because they’re assholes on principle.
These resolutions are toothless without the materials and logistics to implement them. Food should be a right and it’s an easy thing to vocally support (unless you’re manufacturing a famine in Gaza).
But how do you relieve the famine in Sudan if you’re unwilling to export agricultural surplus at below market rates from Southern Europe? How do you meet global human demand for fresh produce if you’re dedicating enormous qualities of arable land to high profit, low yield livestock? These generic statements of principle don’t actually change how and why food is distributed.
And those are just the “capitalism bad” dumb lefty critiques.
What about in a war zone? Should we be feeding Russians occupying Ukraine? What about Israel settlers in the West Bank or Han Chinese in Xinjiang and Tibet or illegal Hamas ISIS Haitian Cartel MS-13 terrorists attacking people’s dogs in Cleveland, Ohio?
Shouldn’t we be killing these people instead?
Should we be feeding Russians occupying Ukraine?
they should have their own logistics, and if surrendered/captured then yes, 100% we should feed them
What about Israel settlers in the West Bank
Illegal settlers likely already get plenty of assistance and welfare. But if there was justice, they would be captured as invaders and deported back to Israel borders, and fed during custody
Han Chinese in Xinjiang and Tibet or illegal Hamas ISIS Haitian Cartel MS-13 terrorists attacking people’s dogs in Cleveland, Ohio?
I lost track, but if captured, then yes, otherwise as long as you aren’t actively blocking food from entering (a literal war crime) then it is acceptable.
they should have their own logistics
“Everyone has a right to eat, but not everyone should have the right to the logistical supply chain that they need to receive the food” is UN doublespeak in a nutshell.
I am pretty sure if you have a military invading another country, it should be your responsibility to feed them.
And if they get hungry and surrender just to eat, because the “enemy” is following international law, the that is good.
Also, there are programs to feed starving people, but it is often blocked by malicious states (like Israel). There is no demand for Israel to feed Gaza, but there is demand for them to not block existing aid from coming in.
And if they get hungry and surrender just to eat, because the “enemy” is following international law
If its international law to guarantee everyone gets fed and you are able to defeat an military by starving out the host population (a technique the Israelis are claiming is being used to defeat Hamas) then how are you following international law?
Also, there are programs to feed starving people
Well, Israel is breaching international law, and way too many western nations are complicit in that genocide.
There’s a difference between attacking enemy supply lines and blocking food from entering a civilian urban area.
Sure. And you can know the difference. And I can know the difference.
And the UN Security Council can pretend not to know the difference.
And if they get hungry and surrender just to eat, because the “enemy” is following international law
If its international law to guarantee everyone gets fed and you are able to defeat an military by starving out the host population (a technique the Israelis are claiming is being used to defeat Hamas) then how are you following international law?
I think it’s about the enemy soldiers starving into surrender, not the civilian populace. Surely this doesn’t mean you are not allowed to attack the supply lines of an invading army inside your own borders?
Or… does it?
A quick google yields the resolution: https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/3954949?ln=en&v=pdf#files
Starting to read it…
It… starts with six pages of “recalling this”, “acknowledging that”? Are UN resolutions like patents, where only a small fraction of the text is actually meaningful? Maybe I should find a guide for reading them first…
I think it’s about the enemy soldiers starving into surrender, not the civilian populace.
Shy of magic, that’s not a policy you can implement. Either people in a region have access to food or they don’t. You can’t just put a stamp on a loaf of bread that makes it inedible to anyone carrying a gun.
Are UN resolutions like patents, where only a small fraction of the text is actually meaningful?
:-/
A lot of it is legalese that matters much more to an actual court system than a random layman picking through the fine print. But yes, broadly speaking a central critique of the UN has been its habit of going out and announcing “Bad Thing Is Bad” and then failing to do much to back that statement up.
At the same time, when the UN has intervened… well… look at the horror show that was the Korean War. Nevermind the intervention and occupation of Yugoslavia or Somalia. Or the Oil for Food Scandal with regard to Iraq.
I mean, the fundamental problem with the UN is that its still composed of many of the countries that are actively participating or tangentially benefiting in whatever horrible thing they’re supposed to be preventing. Much like any republican institution, you’re stuck with people who were put there by the corrupt institutions they’re supposed to police. How do you untangle that web? Ask Alexander the Great, maybe.
Found one: https://politics.stackexchange.com/a/31493
What’s actually important about these italicized words is the division between the preambulary and operative clauses as a whole. Whereas the preamble uses gerunds such as “Reaffirming” and “Recalling” and similar terms, the operative clauses, which are binding, use terms such as “Decides” “Appeals” and “Approves”.
So… I need to look at the first word of each paragraph, determine whether or not it’s operative, and if it is it’s worth reading the rest of the paragraph?
“the terrorist colony of Israel”
I like you.
The un is more useless than arbys.
UN isn’t worth shit. Like they’d ever enforce anything
Friendly reminder that the purpose of the UN isn’t to be the world police. Its a forum for countries to do diplomacy out in the open, to which it actually works really well.
At the risk of getting banned, when I only saw one country in red and “2” in the summary l knew exactly where on the map I needed to zoom to find the second
we are thankfully not on reddit. you can hate zionism in peace without getting banned.
But this is .world, where key super mods have removed people calling out the US/Israel several times.
i didn’t know that.
.world was always more reddit-y and conservative, but i wasn’t really expecting fascism/zionism from them so soon.
JordanLund and Seriunus are two prime examples. Power mods who remove you if you prove them wrong. Serinus even said that “from the river to the sea, palestine will be free” is actually antisemetic, and the admins didn’t do anything about it, nor JL’s constant power abuse when he was wrong. Even after the admins took over a month to do something, they just dumped entire load onto JonsJava, which made him leave in protest of the Admin doing that without talking to him.
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If im gonna call Israel a terrorist colony theres no fear of getting banned by me
I had the exact same thought. If you could really be banned for saying that ISRAEL is a scourge on the planet earth for starving an entire population of innocent people, I’d rather not be on .world anyway.
it really is impressive (and terrifying, if i’m being honest) just how…extensive and all encompassing this Israeli/AIPAC propaganda is.
like…it’s so bad that I don’t even feel comfortable thinking on it too much, because what if I’m falling into some antisemitic rabbithole that blames the jews for everything? the start of some alt-right pipeline?
but then it’s undeniable, that there is a concerted effort to suppress any and all information about israel’s atrocities across the western world, with plenty of jews in positions of power essentially sanctioning it.
When you make the distinction that there are more christian zionists than Jewish ones calling out their bullshit cant be considered antisemitic
There is a person on Lemmy who is a mod and has many alts. Let’s call them SmugJesus. They will definitely call you antisemitic if you talk negatively about Zionism and the Israel lobby.
They can go fuck themselves
I’d add that it is not only Jews doing it, and a lot of Jews you will meet are not complicit. In fact, they are most likely being marginalised by their own communities.
Also, it’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s a publicly admitted Israeli effort, look up hasbara on Wikipedia.
So you’re denying your own obvious observations because you disagree with some of the other people that hold those thoughts?
consider me recently (re)awakened, also i don’t entirely trust my own memories/experience if I’m being entirely honest.
i’v done some psychedelics in the past and know how fragile (fluid?) the human mind/pysche can be
also I’m kind of like a dog that was never socialized properly, so just in general things are new to me
Some communities have weird stances on where they draw the line. To some extent, I have sympathy, because it can be quite easy for a discussion to devolve into shit slinging that involves surprise Zionists popping up, and often legitimate antisemitism ends up appearing if mods aren’t able to stay on top of things (by “legitimate antisemitism”, I mostly mean stuff that indirectly conflates Israel with Jewish people by using antisemitic rhetoric to attack Israel). Some communities may have fewer mods, or a culture that leads to discussions becoming toxic sooner.
This community is a good counter example to the culture problem. There’s been a lot of harshly worded comments against Israel in this thread (reasonably so), but I haven’t seen anything that falls into the trap I describe above, but that’s no doubt a credit both to the culture of this place, and the efforts of the mods here
Considering the biblical law laid out charity as a rule (don’t harvest the edges of your field, allow the poor etc. to eat from it)
Sir, this is a lemmy
Afaiu having a brain and stating facts are only bannable offenses over at that Reddit shithole.
Nevertheless I wish you luck 😅.world is the r*ddit of Lemmy tho
I was wondering for a moment, saw this comment. Ohhhh, yes of course.
I didn’t realize how small Israel was until now! Your comment definitely helped me find it though.
Lmao same
This preface is bullshit. Perfect “I am not a racist, but” energy.
Huge miss. I wasn’t saying it as a form of defence, I was saying it as a sideswipe at people like you who wilfully interpret criticism of a country’s actions as bigotry.
I don’t consider your statement bigotry. I am just annoyed by people hedging.
(in the UN) the US is Israel’s bitch, the US ALWAYS votes the way Israel tells them to nomatter how much it hurts Americans.
You have the relationship backwards, Israel is a vassel state of the US, the ruling class in the US uses Israel to reduce stability among Arab states and profits from their colonialism. Israel wouldn’t function without the backing of the US. It’s a classic trope that the global Jewish elite is pushing the US around, but every action Israel takes is overseen by US officials and military and is supplied primarily by US weaponry. They may act independently and against the interests of the US at times but that doesn’t change the overal dynamic.
Ehhhh it’s very much a too way relationship. If the US was firmly in control Trump could have just forced Bibi into peace to get his day 1 end the war promise.
the US is Israel’s bitch
Billionaires in both countries are profiting handsomely off the genocide
BS
How did you manage to twist yourself into making the nazi propaganda your view of Israeli-U.S. relations?
“Israel is the great ruler of the world”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Jewish_conspiracy
Food is a human right, as declared in the UN Declaration of Human Rights.
It’s a human right, that’s why it doesn’t apply to production units.
On a practical level, what would it mean to make food a human right?
Water is a human right, and there is a somewhat vague statement that, if you have access to a tap and someone asks you for drinking water you have to give it. Already the applications are confusing, since most local laws impose such burden only on public spaces (with varying definitions of public spaces).
For food, what would that mean? How could that ever be implemented? Or is the vibe good enough?
For water being a right, it also means the corporations and government can’t restrict you from accessing water. For example in most places you are allowed to access beach front or lake front property to get to the water. Some landlords and people complain in various situations but they legally have to have public access to a water body. I imagine for food, since corporations and landowners have occupied land or have land titles that would preclude you from growing your own, so somebody has to provide it if you can’t access land to make it.
to my knowledge it obligates governments to provide food to people who can’t get food for reasons outside of their control such as prisoners, prisoners of war, and victims of natural disasters
Thanks for the clarification
In most countries, if your rights are violated, you can sue the one violating them and get them restored.
If food is a right and you can’t get food, then you should be able to sue the government to give you food. After the first won case, further similar cases would be handled by precedent, thus kind of necessiting the government to create a system to get food to people.
Water is a human right, and there is a somewhat vague statement that, if you have access to a tap and someone asks you for drinking water you have to give it.
At least here in the US, there’s a fair bit of public infrastructure around water being a human right. Every establishment you walk into likely has a publicly-accessible fountain.
I imagine something similar would have to happen around food, and I don’t think it would be that hard in practice. All we’d have to do is make it illegal for food vendors to trash edible food at the end of the day, but it’ll never ever happen. We care more about the civic religion of capitalism than we do about people being able to eat.
Boston’s main bus station literally doesn’t have a water fountain. I had to ask McDonald’s to fill my canteen with water, and she literally said no at first. I had to demand it, because there was no water fountain in the building
Oh wow. That’s surprising. Here in KC I can’t think of a single place I go that doesn’t have them.
boston is where the rot destroying the USA began, and has continued over the centuries pretty much unfettered
the whole city is a trap designed to squeeze as much $ out of as many people from across the country/world as possible, but hey…atleast they got some bike lanes, and that’s enough to keep their libs happy i guess.
It wouldn’t make a difference, it’s just moralist masturbation to put it bluntly. Declaring something as a human right doesn’t magically open up a portal where we can take an infinite amount of “human right” goods, especially not under capitalism where water, food and everything else produced and extracted are commodities to be produced for profit
