https://xcancel.com/zei_squirrel/status/1977911633100865883

For the liberals who think it it doesn’t matter he claims Israeli captives are being tortured while not even mentioning the same for the Palestinians in extermination camps: your medicare won’t matter to him either. Stop torturing billionaires.

Palestine is the ultimate litmus test.

  • SqueakyBeaver@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    41·
    3 hours ago

    I might be missing something, but it reads like he’s saying “Israeli hostages” as in “hostages taken by Israel” based on how he mentions families returning to rubble in Gaza.

    • KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      1·
      6 minutes ago

      I’m reading it that way, too. It’s unfortunate wording, but if you read past the first statement, he’s clearly discussing the attacks on Palestine by Israel. Immediately after that opening, Zohran writes “Relentless Israeli bombardment of Palestinians”; using “Israeli” to mean {enacted by Israel}. I’m going to go with the best and say that Zohran writing “Israeli hostages” means {hostages Israel held} and not {hostages from Israel}.

  • balsoft@lemmy.ml
    36·
    7 hours ago

    When palestinians capture mostly POWs, it’s called “hostages” and “torture”. When israelis capture mostly civilians and then actually torture them, it’s called “detention”. Get your nomenclature right folks, or you’re an antisemite!

  • cosecantphi [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    23·
    7 hours ago

    I can’t help but wonder whether this guy has just been a cynical liar from the start, if all the Democratic operatives running his general election campaign are just exceptionally good at performing rapid brainworm installations, or if the CIA simply took him into a room and explained what they’d do to him and his family if he doesn’t toe the line.

    That last one is particularly scary because I had the same thought when Bernie actually somehow got worse on Palestine than he was during his 2020 campaign. That was despite him having no intention of running for president again and also having the safest senate seat in this country. What was he afraid of?

    Like maybe every left leaning politician in this country receives credible death threats from the CIA as par for the course on certain matters of foreign policy.

    • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOP
      11·
      5 hours ago

      It’s the whole Jstreet and AIPAC lobby telling their minions to convince Zohran that Israel isn’t all that bad and that he needs to speak up for both sides etc.

      Since Zohran wants power he will gladly do some mental gymnastics to accept whatever excuse he is given, do a little both-sidesing and call it a day.

    • Barabas [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      19·
      6 hours ago

      I think it is as simple as that they start stroking his ego and give him money. He is young and charismatic enough that they’ve probably started blowing smoke up his ass about a potential presidential run.

      Bernie was always a Zionist, just that it is easier to sidestep when it is at the normal status quo of apartheid, regular bombing raids and land being stolen.

  • DancingBear@midwest.social
    57·
    16 minutes ago

    This reads to me as someone who is a Zionist trying to pretend like they are a leftist attacking Mamdani from the left.

    Edit: after reading the replies I am doubling down on my statement. This is 100% right wing or centrist rage baiters lol. I think they forget this is a New York mayoral election also.

      • RedWizard [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
        10·
        5 hours ago

        Yeah I can’t even see how this is electoralisms fault here, he’s already got the bag and now he’s just running laps for Zionists? How long did it take AOC to complete the transformation? This is like a any% speed run at this point.

        The MLs over at DSA need to start asking themselves some hard questions about their strategy, because good luck fighting against this kind of opportunism from the inside.

  • sodium_nitride [she/her, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    17·
    7 hours ago

    Was it ever on to begin with?

    I only feel such kinds of disappointment when like an actual marxist or anarchist person/party has dumbass takes.

    If you are expecting liberals to have takes that are not lib, then your expectations are just out of order.

    • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOP
      28·
      7 hours ago

      Zohran actually started off really well, refusing to condemn all of oct7, no unnecessary placating to Zionists etc, calling the police racist in the past, etc. Only in the last months after he won the primaries have things started to go downhill like this. The DNC infiltration in his team is in full force.

      I don’t believe in reforming the DNC whatsoever but I did give him credit when he deserved it in the past, because it’s important to show people who still believe in reform what happens when one of the supposed reform guys actually gets in power. In order to be allowed a position of power they first need to bow for to the DNC party line.

      • RedWizard [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
        10·
        5 hours ago

        At present, British Communists very often find it hard even to approach the masses, and even to get a hearing from them. If I come out as a Communist and call upon them to vote for Henderson and against Lloyd George, they will certainly give me a hearing. And I shall be able to explain in a popular manner, not only why the Soviets are better than a parliament and why the dictatorship of the proletariat is better than the dictatorship of Churchill (disguised with the signboard of bourgeois “democracy”), but also that, with my vote, I want to support Henderson in the same way as the rope supports a hanged man—that the impending establishment of a government of the Hendersons will prove that I am right, will bring the masses over to my side, and will hasten the political death of the Hendersons and the Snowdens just as was the case with their kindred spirits in Russia and Germany.

        ~ V.I Lenin

        • ShinkanTrain@lemmy.mlEnglish
          4·
          3 hours ago

          “What if I were to take communist organizing and disguised it as bourgeois electoralism? Oh ho ho, delightfully devilish, Vladimir”

      • machiabelly [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
        19·
        7 hours ago

        I still want to know what they are doing to scare them so much. Like, what did they say to AOC after her protest in Pelosi’s office? Or Mamdani after the primary? Like, its not just the 180 its how fast and abrupt it is. What are they saying to them, threatening them with?

        • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOP
          13·
          6 hours ago

          All the cope comments are saying that he needs to “compromise to get things done”. Which is inherently why it’s impossible to do reform. Anyone who compromises with genocide libs will compromise on everything else.

  • dwindling7373@feddit.itEnglish
    164·
    7 hours ago

    He also states it was a genocide funded by the US. Calls Isrealian bombing relentless, take for granted there was and apartheid and focus on the likely scenario of it continuing unchallenged.

    It’s clearly a post antagonizing Israel. I’ll fucking take it.

    • geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlOP
      251·
      7 hours ago

      If Zohran was a milquetoast DNC shill with no past record on Palestine I’d take it. But he’s backtracking from his original position of fully supporting Palestinians, to spreading fake lies about Israeli captives being tortured while not mentioning actual Palestinians being tortured.

      Caving to Zionists has never worked and there’s no reason to do so, ask Jeremy Corbyn.

      Zohran is now lying and throwing Palestinians under the bus to further his own career.

    • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
      222·
      7 hours ago

      So, in short, he made sure to continue the liberal Zionist framing of “it’s a sad situation with atrocities on both sides, but the important thing is that we, enlightened western liberals, secure the peaceful submission of the Palestinian savages, so that we can finally have the chance to rule them benevolently, and maybe in the distant future, we can even talk about giving them human rights.”