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Will piefed.ca follow suit?
As both a Canadian and an American, yes please. Nothing good comes out of MAGA.
Same situation, same answer. Fascists and nazis must be deplatformed. Let them have their echo chamber all to themselves. Defederate.
How . . .
Dual Citizenship maybe?
Ding ding! Born Canadian, but lived in the US for over a decade, including starting a family (which prompted my application for citizenship). I moved back to Canada a bit ago.
Yah I forgot Canada was a civilized nation.
Plus all the fascism down here makes us stupider.
Hey, be fair, they’re working on their own brand of fascism in Alberta (from what I read). It’s just as terrible but with maple syrup, probably!
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Fuck them. Lemmy is Canadian.
MAGA, the people who want to make Canada their 51st state, can fuck right off.
However, I do find it funny these “American patriots” feel they need to use Canadian servers to exercise their free speech. Their Orange god is completely against free speech. They should embrace that instead.Edit: Sorry. I misunderstood how this maga place this was hosted when I made the comment. I thought it was on lemmy.ca but I see now how it’s hosted and shared.
However, I do find it funny these “American patriots” feel they need to use Canadian servers to exercise their free speech.
Canadian servers? what do you mean? fedidb does not show server location to me
You’re correct.
The A record for the domain name
maga.placeresolves to216.144.226.200, which is under the 216.144.226.0/24 prefix of AS36352 (HostPapa). The prefix being used is registered tomadgenius.com, which is a hosting provider registered in the United States. Curiously, that provider even has their own ASN (AS55154) that’s not being used here.It’s also a shared IP address. The address itself resolves to
suportefiscal.aptosclinica.com.br.when you perform a reverse lookup.As for the domain name itself, a quick whois lookup points to Namecheap. The MX records corroborate this, pointing to
registrar-servers.com.In any case, the server itself is hosted in Virginia. The hosting provider used is an American company either owned by or reselling services from a Canadian company.
This is a 1-day-old account and they also said “Lemmy is Canadian”, so I’m presuming that they think that defederation means to remove this like it were a community.
Although even so they aren’t wrong: federation with Lemmy.ca means to help spread their messages using Canadian servers:-).
However, I do find it funny these “American patriots” feel they need to use Canadian servers to exercise their free speech.
No, actually they have their own server which is maga.place.
In the Fediverse, independent servers automatically synchronize with each other to publish their content. However, it is possible to cut the link with another server to avoid its publications from showing up on our own server.
No, actually they have their own server which is maga.place
I see that now. I misunderstood how they were hosted.
Yes, this shouldn’t even be a discussion. There’s no room at the table for fascists.
Yes, please.
Yes. Build a wall.
And make MAGA pay for it! proceeds to send them the invoice
Good luck with that - Trump never pays his bills, & I expect no different from MAGAts.
Yes please, no point in taking any chances.
I vote yes.
We don’t need to federate with a safe space for spreaders of hate and conspiracy theories.
At worst, that instance will become another Grad with trolls that piss everyone off. At best, it’ll be a cluster of people and content I’m just going to block anyway.
I think everyone should. that’s the whole point of having a decentralized federation system: different people on different instances can decide what’s to Nazi for them to tolerate. Not like Xitter where one dude decides what’s the acceptable level of Nazi everyone should see every day.
any instance they label themselves maga are usually up to no good, its a launch point for trolling/russian backed propaganda.
They are heavily moderating and removing any counter argument. So: YES, defederate!
Tbh Lemmy.ml is pretty famous for that as well, so if THAT is the reason, perhaps defederate from both?
Defederate from 1 user? 🤣
It’s always good to self contain problems before they get worse.
Yep, and let’s not forget that MAGA started as a fringe movement… it’s like some people still refuse to fucking learn.
Lets not forget how networks underestimated Trump and led to him getting a lot of coverage, and it resulted in him gaining in popularity to get elected his first term to spread the infection.
That’s the mistake the left keeps making. They think logic can win out against effective faith based movements founded upon hate with a belief a higher power is on their side. And they waste time debating against something that appeals to the averge person who is desperate and angry. Which is why facism is trending.
The networks knew what they were doing and did it for reason$. Anyway, if maggoty is correct it’s um, it’s probably a fed.
If lemmy doesn’t want to do it then everyone should stand together and block them. We can force defederation.
I wouldn’t call him a faith-based movement so much as a populist movement. He just happened to have some talking points that overlapped with the faith-based movements, and he leaned into those to gain his market share. That isn’t what I would call a defense of faith-based movements, either, more a reference of causation vs. correlation.
He throws out how something is the best or the worst and makes up false facts and figures and his followers takes him at his word. Same applies to many of his inner circle like RBK with what is supposed to be science.
What else is it at that point other than faith? Its not grounded in facts but belief. Bringing evidence is dismissed as fake news because the movement doesn’t care about that. It has the usual hallmarks of religion in my eyes.
Okay, that’s fair.
If Nazi.whatever pops up Id want to defederate from that too if they had 1 member
lol 1 user! Yes, by all means, block and defederate.
To be fair, there’s @[email protected] that’s been a real trooper on that instance and posting anti-fascist stuff all over the place. The whole instance has been flooded by them lol!
Maybe that’s what we should do, just turn it into an anti-Maga instance by flooding it with anti-fascist posts and comments.
Excise a stage 1 cancer?
Should Lemmy.ca defederate from a Nazi instance? Yes. Let’s not have their fascist propaganda leak into our instances.
Curious. I just a quick scan on their instance and see no Nazi stuff. Got any examples?
They deleted one of the communities that had a rainbow confederate flag with Nazi swastikas on it.
So they’re actively moderating their instance and removing objectionable material. that’s a good thing.
Yeah, but the question remains of which half of that they found objectionable.
Curious. Curious.
Who else was famous for saying “curious”?
Kill it before it lays eggs…!
The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance; thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance.
- Wikipedia
How do you determine the threshold for when it can no longer be tolerated? How do you put this into use without being the very thing you are trying to eliminate?
Its pretty easy to spot
The Moment someone tells me what to do, without telling me in what way my actions are actually hurting someone else, I tell them to fuck off
Probably when they weaponize tolerance of their intolerance to further their intolerance and cause objective harm.
Popper says it’s when they resort to “fist or pistol” to advance their agenda. That’s how you know, when they actually resort to violence.
By then it’s too late and that’s just a revolution.
Well what it means is that if you resort to fist or pistol first, then you are the bad guy, and should not be tolerated.
Maybe it’s difficult to establish a precise threshold, but Nazis in general and MAGA in particular are way beyond any reasonable one.
How do you identify Nazis or MAGA, and what level of violence is appropriate to stop them?
I’ve just found one: you
If so, what level of violence are you threatening me with?
Just blocking you, piece of Nazi shit.
Great conversation, have a nice day.
