What did it revert from?
The wildest part of this to me is the politicians exempting themselves. It may be different in Europe, but in the US, the politicians are often the child predators this legislation claims to protect against.
The politicians claim “professional secrecy”, but shouldn’t you be increasingly auditable the more power you are given. Private individuals should have an expectation of privacy. Politicians, and those with power and influence should live in the open to protect from abuses of that power.
There is definitely an amount of valid secrecy in positions of power, half of politics would collapse if they couldnt corroborate their eggs in order in their coop. With regards to authority that defines what should be publicly auditable, it’s rather a chicken and egg situation.
Before I hatch any more puns, generally politician’s privacy at work, or anything related to their position << civilian privacy should be definitely the case. I do like the idea.
I am surprised by Sweden and Denmark being in favor.
afaik denmark isn’t just in favor, but they’re also responsible for pushing the legislation higher on the agenda after it was dropped last time.
i think it’s because the current ruling coalition consists of the “social democrat party” (actually just red flavored populist centerish party) in an alliance with the “moderate party” (centrist flavored center-right wing party) and the liberal (as in libertarianism) party (center-right/right/conservative party), so basically denmark has been under a quite conservative government lately, despite the PM selling the coalition as “across the center”They’ve been reverting a lot of that Nordic socialism due to the usual anti-immigrant rhetoric
And a right wing government here in Sweden relying on a far right party to stay in power, all in favor of heavy surveillance
I‘m not surprised in the slightest given who governs these countries nowadays. They‘re far more right than your average EU country.
Norway isn’t on this map
Norway is not EU
Ima be honest, things don’t look good. Europe is our last hope before this shit comes over to America
It already has yo, just on a state level.
Meshtastic is not included in chat control, right?
(Inb4 they ban that too lol)
I am so happy to see my little luxembourg oppose this authoritarian power grab.
isn’t the september 12 deadline over
That was for tabling the vote, actual vote is happening on the 14th of October
oh shit so chat control will happen
if you have trust in EUs checks and balances, it can still be stopped at one point or two, including because it is illegal according to EU laws
This shit is happening no matter who votes what. It’s been voted on how many times in the past decade? 5+? It’ll always keep coming back until it passes. Might as well do it now rather than later. Same with online ID verification. Just bite the pillow while they’re going in dry, it’s the shortest pain.
I hope you take this in the spirit in which it was meant: fuck you and your defeatist edgy apathy. Refuse and resist until the bitter end.
Spoken like someone who hasn’t been fighting for 15+ years with NOTHING to show for it.
I’m just tired. People don’t give a fuck anyway. May it all burn down in nuclear fire soon.
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Like sysiphus, we must continue pushing up the hill, forever. There is no final victory. If you’re tired, trust in others to continue pushing, very understandable. Just don’t piss on the people continuing where you left off.
You have a way with words, this was a beautiful way of putting my feelings into words. I will use this rhetoric going forward in your honor. Thank you.
I mean, 19 years as an active member of EFF, but sure. You do you.
I’m not sorry. We had it coming. A surge of white-hot atonement will be our wake up call. Hope for our future is now a stillborn dream.
If this comes to pass I’ll just revert to ways of my youth. I’ll spend more times with books and there is no such thing as online communication or SMS or anything.
I do what I can to not have that future.
One Time Pad Lmao
What’s the government gonna do? Ban numbers?
theyll ban general purpose computing
They’ll put the burden of decryption on you. You’d need to bet your freedom on steganography.
I thought about it again for a bit. I checked the frequency of english letters as the first letter. There’s way to make two groups of letters so that 13 of them would represent a “0” bit if you see them appear as the first letter and if you see the other set of 13 characters, you’d interpret it as a “1” bit. And the letters in both groups would each collectively add up to 50%. This make it a bit harder to do frequency analysis.
Then for coded text:
You’d use 6 bits per character. So every 6 word you write on the steganograph/ciphertext, you get back 6 bits, aka 1 character (6 words to hide 1 character is a lot of work I know). 6 bits represent 64 characters. 26 is enough for one character-set of a-z, but the remaining characters can be used to make frequency analysis harder, for example, the binary that denotes “27” could be used to represent another letter “e” since “e” is the most common letter in the alphabet, so now both “05” and “27” both represent e. Do the same with all the other frequenly appearing letters, these are “Etaoin Shrdlu”(I actually memorized it on the top of my head since I was obsessed with the idea of ciphers as a kid and I looked it up on wikipedia about cryptanalysis a few years ago)
Of course, these are just examples, don’t make your “e” = “05”, they could be e=61 e=53 e=23 t=2 t=4 etc…, so basically, one letter has multiple ways to be represented, especially the more frequent letters should be represented more times until you get a more even distribution.
(I’m not an expert tho, in a post-chat-control world, maybe you can email some cryptography/steganography expert and ask for better advice.)
Wouldn’t be the first time a government banned a number
Lol just add 1 to every digit, voila, its no longer the same number.
Or use words to code numbers.
Like the using the first letter of a word to denote a 0/1 bit, and length of the word to denote a second 0/1 bit.
6 bits is enough to depict 64 latin/roman based characters (I mean like A-Z), plus symbols and numbers
3 words is 6 bits
3x5 is 15 words, 15 words is enough to say “hello”
you could further increase the bits per word by also factoring in the last letter of the word
Keep doing that and you’ll have steganography hidden in words.
Are they gonna ban… writing words?
No worries, just encode it in music.
You cannot ban everything, you can hide 1 and 0s anywhere lol.
Like they’ll need a money system (assuming they remain capitalist). Don’t worry big brother, I’m just sending my friend a 89 Euros and 64 cents and saying in the memo “Remember Our Anniversary”, nothing to see here… (8964 = 1989, month 6, day 4, aka: Tiananmen Square Massacre).
Is that number banned? Oops, sorry, I’ll just send my friend 78 Euros and 53 cents (caesar shift of -1). (As an example, of couse actual encryption should be more complex)
The only way they can stop all of it is to jail everyone in vibration-proof/soundproof rooms.
They can snatch a few people, but what if everyone starts doing that?
Well designed steganography would not be easy to detect if the authorities don’t know what they are looking for. Do they just beat random people to find out if they are sending hidden messages?
Okay you caught the person, so what?
XCGHJ DFVBN TYGBJ
With OTP, it could either be
KILL THE EMPEROR
or it could be
Bring the Condom (something that’s embarassing and plausible to want to hide, but not overthrowing the government)
or it could be any 15 character value, just think of any plausible thing you could possibly hide, to downplay what the real message is.
Deniable encryption like that will be a lifesaver if things get bad enough. Though I’m thinking more the kind where the encrypted content on a computer disk is indistinguishable from free space, and you have multiple passwords that decrypt different parts of the filesystem. That way you can be interrogated and/or beaten, “give up” and unlock your computer (using the decoy password), and still hide any incriminating evidence since those files remain hidden with no way for adversaries to even detect that they exist.
Inb4 I get arrested for butt texting.
No actually ,only self host is solution actually and phones with not installed spyware ,so currently for now phone with lineage os,graphenos or post market is,for desktop is linux distros or haiku or BSD based systems.as tool for communication self host matrix,xmpp,irc,email server
I’m sorry, did you just “no actually” someone who was espousing books as disconnected entertainment?
I meant only from point that there is alternative way for commutation ,I didn’t mean anything bad about reading books
