• DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social
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    Canonically, nope, necromancer is capital E evil because of metaphysical elements.

    Tl;dr Basically it’s just slavery… You just don’t care about those kinds of souls.

    Bigot. All Souls Matter.

    With a side dash of bioweapon design because if the necromancer loses control they go on a killing rampage, hating all living things (partly jealousy, partly a living hell of being trapped in a decomposed body, partly the It’s Fucking Slavery thing)

    That said, it’s your table, metaphysics are what you say they are, but if you’re not thinking about the implications of the souls involved in a game like DnD you’re not paying enough attention.

    I know some DMs just treat it like a PC revival, assuming that the souls that respond are willing or the spell would fail… And then one of them does secret rolls for why they were willing.

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    First time playing a paladin (PF) and we get to a set where someone is offering to help us enter a fortress by making us flesh golems. All of that, didn’t have a problem with it. But, ya see, the person making the golem was a doctor and they were “recycling” lost patients into the golem.

    Paladin couldn’t have that. “A surgeon must never have an ulterior motive when helping others. They might hesitate at a critical moment”

    So, after a brainstorming session, we instead went to the countryside to massacre a minotaur village for the materials. Yay good alignment! (Minotaurs are evil, obvs)

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    I will say that D&D is a game with some disturbing assumptions smuggled into its “objective” morality.

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      Eh, DnD morality is just fundamentally broken at a conceptual level, and people have known that since forever. Every GM basically overlays their own opinions on what good/evil/lawful/chaotic mean, and there’s no consistency from table to table.

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        True but I do feel like the issue described in the meme is one that I’ve rarely seen questioned. Ultimately, D&D was designed to be a game about murdering the bad guys, and while you can play a different type of campaign if you really want to, it would be a bit like using your mattress as a raft.

        So for me as someone who is fairly committed to nonviolence outside the game, it’s just too difficult to run a campaign that really shakes the foundations in this way.

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          I played a campaign where the entire thing was a murder mystery dinner and the only actual combat was a hunting scenario as part of the wedding party events and the final confrontation with the murderer, which only went hot because all our characters sucked at being detectives and the perp was talking circles around us. If any of us had thought to read “Sounding like a competent detective in a pinch for dummies” we could have beat that camp with zero actual murder hoboing!

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          The good news is there are other systems that aren’t focused on combat. D&D isn’t the right choice. So many people act like D&D is the only system and it sucks. It isn’t even the best at the things it’s built to do!

          Hasbro just has so much money they control the space, and then they use that money to send the Pinkertons after people. Go play anything else, please!

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            Yeah that’s kind of what I was implying. However I haven’t found the right system yet. It needs to be simpler than D&D for my group to be interested I think.

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              I haven’t played it, but I’ve watched some. Vampire: The Masquerade seems like a good system that’s focused on social storytelling. It’s not a fantasy setting though, so if you want that it probably isn’t the right choice.

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    The rogue who realizes all three of them have a symbiotic relationship is there to pick the pockets of the dead before they’re reanimated

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          This guy gets it; you warn them ahead of time and put masks on the dead too so it’s not as spooky. Or, dia de los muertos tradition where you channel more energy to the dead regularly to “act themselves”. Necromancers don’t have to be dicks.