Can we stop trying to beatify this psychopath? It’s possible to be against violence and still condemn Kirk and his violent legacy.

  • Frenchys_prospecting@aussie.zone
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    20 hours ago

    I’m against political violence but as Kirk would say about a raped woman that was wearing a short skirt “what did he expect?”

    Dude literally died for what he believed in. We should be happy for him.

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      4 minutes ago

      Believed gun deaths were a good thing, didn’t believe in empathy. My joy that he’s gone is right in line with his beliefs!

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      19 hours ago

      Dude literally died for what he believed in. We should be happy for him.

      More than that, it’s “worth it to have the cost” of everyone owning guns, so that we can have some fascist pricks die every so often.

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        18 hours ago

        Besides, empathy isn’t real, its more of a new age belief. Luigi can be the patron saint of the righteous hand of justice. Charlie can be the patron saint of the self righteous receiver of justice

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          It’s gonna get a whole lot worse before things get better, but they’ll be remembered as some of the first, yes.

          personally I’m of the opinion that society goes in cycles, generally, if you know history. We’re either about to have civil war or mass revolt, I’m pretty sure – when the circuses are still going but there is no bread, for millions, and it’s only getting worse – that’s generally when shit gets real. Massive, massive oversimplification, mind you; but more and more people in the US are feeling the economic squeeze that republicans (and by extension also, late-stage capitalism) pile on more every year.

          In other words, we’re in the opening paragraphs to a very long chapter in some high schooler’s history class on this period of American history in the future – probably also lumped into an economics class with the 1929 stock market crash and the consequences thereof. How it will be written about I shudder to imagine, but you’ll have a lot of “patron saints of fucking around/finding out/delivering unto thee the finding out”.

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        19 hours ago

        I don’t agree with the political violence (unless you’re fighting back against it) but everyone in America that isn’t a maga cult member should look at investing in more guns and gun handling training.

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          18 hours ago

          I’m paraphrasing his quote on gun violence.

          In a way, he’s right – this death? Worth it. Totally. I just wish it didn’t come at the cost of many schoolchildren and other innocents before (and after) him.

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            18 hours ago

            So then, how do you reduce? Very simple. People say, oh, Charlie, how do you stop school shootings? I don’t know. How did we stop shootings at baseball games? Because we have armed guards outside of baseball games. That’s why. How did we stop all the shootings at airports? We have armed guards outside of airports. How do we stop all the shootings at banks? We have armed guards outside of banks. How did we stop all the shootings at gun shows?

            Turns out those police officers and security couldn’t keep Charlie Kirk alive.

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              On the other hand, in a sick and twisted way, this all does lend credence to the whole “good guy with a gun” idea. you can’t tell me that microphone in his hand isn’t a weapon, and you sure as shit can’t tell me Charlie Kirk was a good guy.

              In other words, this was justifiable self-defense, that sniper protected those college kids from a cognitohazard.

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                I just watched the Behind the Bastards episode on the zyzzians and my brain immediately that Kirk was gonna start spouting off about Rokus Basilisk.

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              Yeah, we ain’t even rock bottom yet…

              Like, it’s past recommending “guns”.

              Everybody should legit be getting ARs/AKs and plated vests these days.

              It doesn’t take a lot of range time to get competent. Both platforms are very simple.

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      19 hours ago

      The time for being “against political violence” as a general concept is long passed.

      One side has violence against anyone but themselves as their only policy. Fascism doesn’t surrender to reasoned argument, law or elections.

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        18 hours ago

        It’s certainly on the very limit of when it should be used but for whatever it means, Kirk was just a hateful person. As far as I’m aware he didn’t actually murder anyone but in the current climate, what did he expect?

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      19 hours ago

      Every thread I see a new shit take from this dude. It’s like a nesting doll of poo.

      Man really left a garbage legacy.

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      19 hours ago

      Being “against political violence” is defending the status quo. Kirk’s opinion on guns wasn’t problematic at all and fucking liberals acting like that was his problem disgust me.

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        He didn’t believe in empathy, and thought that a few gun deaths regularly was well worth the cost.

        You praise Charlie, but do you really follow his teachings?