The entire userbase of the Fediverse is a rounding error for Meta. We aren’t significant.
True, I think Threads got 10 millions subscribers in 7 hours.
i read earlier today that they’re up to 30m
I wonder how many of those are bots
At least 7.
yeah him and his 30 million users
*70 million as of this evening
Edit: providing source https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-07/meta-s-threads-has-70-million-signups-surprising-zuckerberg
Here’s the thing though:
If we don’t defederate, the users can subscribe to our communities and get involved and make them stronger as they become the official go to places. We can always crush it later if it becomes a hassle.
If we defederate immediately, the users will make their own communities which will quickly leave ours in the dirt as the larger ones of the Fediverse.
Just a thought.
I think Zuck underestimates how disgusting his userbase behaves. I really don’t want to read the shit I had to flee from back in the day.
I think he knows, he just doesn’t care, as he probably benefits from it. 🤷
You’re delusional.
The fediverse stuff is just a bullet point on a sales sheet, Facebook doesn’t give a shit about federating with Lemmy or Mastodon or whatever.
The reason they don’t give a shit is they already have a user base that is multiple times larger than Lemmy and Mastodon combined. Also normal people don’t even know what those things are. My mom doesn’t know what Mastodon is, she does know what Twitter and threads is.
As much as possible, corporate interest and action on social media needs to be exposed and dismantled. Capitalism is inherently antisocial and comes with a bunch of social hierarchies and unquestionable “accepted” inequalities embedded within. Plus I don’t enjoy trawling through miles of boring carbon copy jokes and endless attempts at edgy right-wing tinged “humour”. The cancerous spread of fascistic “freedom of speech” culture that defies the logic of the concept destroyed reddit.
trawling through miles of boring carbon copy jokes
That was the worst part of Reddit for me. Looking for answers and getting nothing but shit posts or people flaming
Tbh I’m seeing a lot of Mastodon instances Admins saying they wont defederate Threads straight away; they want to see what Meta does/demands of all over instances first. The instance I’m part of (Fosstodon) is also doing the “wait and see” tactic.
BUT I strongly suspect most will end up defederating with Threads within a week due to Meta’s shit moderation and attempts to bully other, larger instances into giving them privacy info.
Wtf. What possible good thing do they expect to see from meta?
People. Most of the people using Threads are not garbage just because Meta is.
I’ll likely be personally blocking the entire instance the day they connect with ActivityPub.
most of the people are not garbage
Guess what? Neither are most people on FB and Twitter, but it’s allowing the garbage minority to have free reign that make those platforms unbearable.
I can guarantee that the same will happen with Threads sooner or later since it’s the same corporation with the same company-wide priorities that allowed FB to become a breeding ground for fascism.
Facebook was ruined for me when they stopped showing me what my friends were up to, and instead plastered my feed with ads and “popular” posts instead of the things I care about. I haven’t logged in for years. I should delete Facebook, but since it isn’t on any of my devices they aren’t getting anything from me
My mom has an account and I just… [sigh]
What instance hasn’t defederated from threads honestly
Fucking Mastodon
Fosstodon had the balls to not sell out
Also Meta has not federated yet but said they will in the future so any “defederation” from instances is just a declaration of future plans since there is nothing to cut off yet
My instance hasn’t defederated from anywhere. This is exactly why I chose vlemmy
exploding-heads even? Yikes
I don’t know what they did but I want to be in control of what I get to see. Unless it’s anything illegal I’d rather not let someone else choose for me
What does this mean? I don’t get it.
Basically Zucc knows that fediverse (Mastodon/Lemmy) is a serious competitor, so instead of fighting it - he joined it. And named it “Threads” or smth (I don’t know and I don’t want to know)
The problem is that everyone bullied Zucc and “dropped him from their friend circles”. No one wants to be friends with Zucc. 🤷😂
The dangerous part is that he can start bribing admins of large instances to federate Threads. I’m not sure how one would practically defend against something like this. The only way I can think of would be for an admin to be so ideologically opposed to Meta that they would refuse even $1m to federate. But such people are rare.
I mean, you could create your own instance and not have to worry.
That could help. But then we need:
- More instances.
- A more uniform distribution of users. (as opposed to people flocking to just one or a couple of instances)
The way I understand it: -you are somewhat at the mercy of the instance where you have your account(aka your home instance) -if your home instance defederates assholes.com, you can still see their posts but cannot vote or comment on assholes.com -you can get around this by creating a second account on assholes.com. You’ll just have to remember to switch accounts
(Where is that guy on YouTube to explain this stuff)
I thought defederation meant that you wouldn’t be able to see the posts either? For example, quite a few Lemmy instances defederated lemmynsfw.com because they didn’t want their users seeing NSFW content.
Lonely? I never felt such a sense of communality than here
I feel the same. I have real conversations and get real answers, without some annoying moderator or karmabot inserting themselves and stopping the discourse
Oh man, this is genuinely depressing. I just checked it out for the first time and almost every thread I see is “omg this is so much better than twitter” “Guess we’re all on threads now?” and just complete lack of awareness of the fediverse at all, and I’m just sitting here like “the fediverse has been better than twitter…and facebook…and instagram… and reddit… for a long time now…” but everyone is just gonna throw flowers at Facebook for making a hackneyed handicapped version of it and there’s nothing we can do.
This time next year everywhere you see little social media buttons and links the threads symbol will be there by default and people will still have no idea about Lemmy or Mastadon. I’m gonna try really hard to focus on how much of a good thing that is because of its lessening of the horrors of Eternal September in these spaces.
What’s with all the hate about federating with Threads? I thought people would be happy to hear a big player is coming to the fediverse that’s going to bring a bunch of people with it. “Normies” will probably never use Mastodon or Lemmy but might use Threads, so being able to communicate with them while staying on my little community-ran Mastodon instance is a win for the fediverse in my book. And if somebody’s annoying or whatever, you can always block them, right? Can somebody clarify why people think everyone should automatically defederate with them and lose such a big userbase? I mean, I hate Facebook/Meta as much as the next guy, but more users are more users…
Nobody should want any corporate social platforms in the fediverse they spy on you sell your data to the highest bidder and ultimately all are basically like the corner drug dealer
Somebody posted an article here a few days ago about the ways big corporations kill Open source software. The broad overview was essentially that they’ll adopt the standard, then expand on it to create a more feature rich walled garden. Then they axe the connections to the original protocols when they have critical mass, and begin the enshittification process. If meta is allowed to succeed in the Fediverse, it’s the first step to meta owning any worthwhile platforms in the Fediverse.
If I wanted to hear what people who use FB products had to say, I’d be on those platforms
I’m sure there’s no profit motive for Meta to confederate.
Meta is a “for profit” company, so every move they make is for profit and planned with their shareholders/board of directors, to approve their moves. These people only see $$$, sad but true.
So only people without profit motive can beat part of it… Change is scary I guess
Allowing people and corporations with poor to no ethics considerations whose sole motive is profit to control everything isn’t change, it’s the default that the Fediverse is trying to get away from.
Won’t someone think of the corporate investors that need to make money on my memes?
Honestly one needs to look at the economic ensentives in order to understand metas goals.
Meta does not make any money from content on the federverse. Therefore, they have no reason to support its growth or future. In fact I would go as far as to say that they actually are going to try and EEE.
What do you mean by EEE?
They aren’t going to try to EEE. ActivityPub was just an easy protocall to build off of quickly. They don’t care about the fediverse. They have almost zero incentive to waste effort trying to destroy it, plus it’s open source, so worst case we just fork it and move on.
ActivityPub was just an easy protocall to build off of quickly
If they didn’t want to federate, they wouldnt have a need for ActivityPub or any kind of similar protocol.
EEE means embrace, extend, extenguish. It’s to say they’ll start using it, extend it so they are required to continue using it, then stop supporting it or actively kill it. It has nothing to do with federation, whether they do or don’t.
I know that, but if that’s not the goal, then what else do they hope to achieve by implementing ActivityPub? It means they plan to federate with the larger fediverse, and you can bet that there’s a carefully calculated business reasoning behind it.
They likely used it because most of the work is already done. They could quickly turn around a new app as they notice Twitter fucking up, rather than starting from scratch. It already exists, works, and is tested.
You’re not getting my point - if federation wasn’t the goal, they wouldn’t even need anything like ActivityPub. It’s a protocol to allow different servers to talk to each other in a way that is just not necessary and way too much overhead if you’re planning to have an insular solution controlled by just a single entity anyway. Picking it as the protocol for internal-only communication between your own servers would simply be a very questionable architectural choice, Meta’s Engineers know better than that. Threads already works without supporting ActivityPub, so it’s obviously not needed for making the app run. Them also working on supporting ActivityPub is just creating an additional, public interface in order to connect to the fediverse, which they otherwise simply wouldn’t need to do.
Just noticed another possible confusion: ActivityPub is just a protocol, a definition of how servers can talk to each other. There’s no ready-made implementation that Meta could be using to get a headstart, they are most definitely developing their own implementation of it. So even if they were actually using it without wanting to federate, the only thing they’d be saving on is designing their own protocol, but that’s not really beneficial because then they’ll have to deal with a protocol that wasn’t actually made for their use case and according to their specific needs.
I don’t think Threads need the fediverse to survive or thrive.
And correct me if I’m wrong but I think Mastodon’s biggest instances don’t mind federating with Threads.
Why on earth would they be interested in federating with meta??
A lot of them are taking a “let’s give them a chance” stance which is fucked because we have over a decade of social media history as to why they’ve already spent that chance and cannot be trusted. There’s also the fact of Meta meeting with Mastodon instance admins and having them sign NDAs if they agree to talk.
I won’t be on an instance that federates with them, personally.
There is more then a century of proven ‘companies lie for profit and will do anything upto and including global genocide to increase their bottom dollar’
Never trust a company when they provide their goals.
Is there any mention of which instances have committed to NOT federating with Meta?
