Fair enough. Personally I’m skeptical that there is a “passive corrective method” for individuals to fix problems in either system (maybe a socialist can identify one for us). There aren’t many passive solutions at all.
The way to fix these problems in either system is through regulation, governance, and collective action. People just buying other products hasn’t worked to correct the flaws in capitalism, regulation has, so you might as well go straight to that either way.
I will be honest, I identify as a libertarian, but that does not mean I have blind faith, and I do see benefits of other system. I do not think there really is a one size fits all solution. I am coming from South Africa. The post apartheid government I think even describes themselves as Socialist. I won’t lie they did great work from 1994-2008, amazing even. But unfortunately their way led to what I can describe as a self enrichment drive, really hollowed out our beautiful state. I think that’s why I identify as libertarian, Hayek’s road to serfdom really felt like he was explaining exactly what we are experiencing the last 15 years.
But apart from whose economic model is right, I think the most important thing in a functioning society is participating, like we are doing, coming up with dialog, arguing in good faith. But basically keep those in power on their toes, ensure their power isn’t entrenched, they are there to serve the people in however little or how much they try to govern us, and the people should participate to ensure they are kept accountable.
I think all of us want the same thing, a better world for us and a better place for future generations. Don’t let the elite tell us our differences should cause us to fight, like I said that is the beauty of this conversation, we can differ, thank you for having a different view so that I am not in an echo chamber, let’s argue in good faith, have freedom to explore each other’s viewpoints, you really did make amazing argument with entrenched monopolies for example.
Sorry rambling here, but love you internet stranger, thank you for our argument and challenging our own ideas so that we can grow
Fair enough. Personally I’m skeptical that there is a “passive corrective method” for individuals to fix problems in either system (maybe a socialist can identify one for us). There aren’t many passive solutions at all.
The way to fix these problems in either system is through regulation, governance, and collective action. People just buying other products hasn’t worked to correct the flaws in capitalism, regulation has, so you might as well go straight to that either way.
I will be honest, I identify as a libertarian, but that does not mean I have blind faith, and I do see benefits of other system. I do not think there really is a one size fits all solution. I am coming from South Africa. The post apartheid government I think even describes themselves as Socialist. I won’t lie they did great work from 1994-2008, amazing even. But unfortunately their way led to what I can describe as a self enrichment drive, really hollowed out our beautiful state. I think that’s why I identify as libertarian, Hayek’s road to serfdom really felt like he was explaining exactly what we are experiencing the last 15 years.
But apart from whose economic model is right, I think the most important thing in a functioning society is participating, like we are doing, coming up with dialog, arguing in good faith. But basically keep those in power on their toes, ensure their power isn’t entrenched, they are there to serve the people in however little or how much they try to govern us, and the people should participate to ensure they are kept accountable.
I think all of us want the same thing, a better world for us and a better place for future generations. Don’t let the elite tell us our differences should cause us to fight, like I said that is the beauty of this conversation, we can differ, thank you for having a different view so that I am not in an echo chamber, let’s argue in good faith, have freedom to explore each other’s viewpoints, you really did make amazing argument with entrenched monopolies for example.
Sorry rambling here, but love you internet stranger, thank you for our argument and challenging our own ideas so that we can grow
Thanks, this was an unusually decent interaction all around