I don’t care about linux taking over the world or anything but I just want the market share high enough so companies will port their shit over
From what I read its ~ 5% for this to happen and companies taking Linux seriously.
Please share that article! 5% feels like just around the corner!
I hope that applies to games as well. It really does feel super close!
This doesn’t make much sense because different companies / services will have vastly different development costs associated with Linux compatibility and there wouldn’t be just one global threshold for profitability for everyone
It’s a rough benchmark, not a “if we hit 5%, we immediately get all the software.”
For example, I doubt we’d get Apple porting Safari to Linux regardless of marketshare, but we’d probably get a ton more games with native support if it just meant testing and minor fixes to the Linux-compatible Vulkan build.
So don’t expect Adobe to suddenly port everything over, but expect a lot better compatibility as we get around 5% marketshare.
they should just use Vulkan in the first placr because that runs on both windows and Linux
Sure, but that doesn’t eliminate dev or testing costs, it just reduces them.
People who don’t care is the reason Linux Desktop is at 3% and not 100%
I said I don’t care about world domination. I do care about it getting up tho
I switched to Linux a week ago, I’m part of that statistic
Welcome! One of us, one of us, one of us!
Gooble-gobble, gooble-gobble!
I came back to Linux about a month ago. I was nervous at first that my stuff wouldn’t work, it required a bit of tweaking to get everything how I want it, but I’m happy to be here :) I use Arch btw
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! LINE GO UP!
In all seriousness, welcome.
I haven’t fully switched, yet, because I don’t want to be just another statistic.
You’re just part of the other side of the statistic.
seeing linux go more popular due to windows going crap puts a smile on my face most of the games i have on my windows machine can run on linux without any issues expect for roblox
Yeah those idiots intentionally excluded the linux community
true… roblox said they have plans to try to bring back compatibility with wine but it seems they are not making a version of byfron conpatible with linux
Roblox is the only reason i have dualbooted windows
Isn’t grapejuice working anymore? I remember I got it working a few months ago but my kid is not interested in it so i don’t know the current status.
Nop
Well, the platform is nice and building a 3d game is straightforward but actually I see most kids just playing shitty games in the end. Better go sketch, construct 3 or others
Also it’s a wise choice to dualboot, even if every current game is playable on Linux tho. Who knows which game won’t run for you no matter what via Wine when apparently it’s Gold/platinum rated on protondb.
winecfg has a checkbox to not tell the application that it’s wine. Doesn’t work?
it dosent work due to the ring 0 byfron anti cheat
Damn kernel level malware.
why intentional
Likely not a benefit for the development time. In short, it’s always money!
I got my kid over to Pop OS yesterday. It was so amusing because he has been running Windows all this time and when I use his computer, I get frustrated since it’s so slow and laggy and freezes up etc.
He always tells me “stop being so fast, you have to wait for the computer!”.
We installed PopOS and he was literally amazed how fast it was. He saw that I could open programs and interact with them with no lag and no issues whatsoever. His comment was “I didn’t know it could be like this”.
Exactly.
IT’S HAPPENING !!! YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP !!!
For me it’s been year of the Linux desktop since maybe 2010 or something… Don’t remember exactly when I switched all computers to Linux. But something like that.
I think it was Ubuntu 8 or something when I first started using Linux everywhere at home. I remember the name Hardy Heron… And that was released in 2010.
I’ve had Linux on my work laptop for at least the last 5 years. It’s very reliable these days.
And I have been gaming on it full time for the last 2 years.
It’s all very much progress. Very much fun.
Ubuntu version numbers are very easy to track against the years, because they are the years. Ubuntu 8.X was released in 2008. If it was 2010 it would have been Ubuntu 10.X.
Ok thanks. Yeah memory is a bit fuzzy from that time and I probably switched a bit back and forth between other Linux also.
Same, but ~2007 for me. I switched when Windows crapped out on my rented computer at school and Linux just worked. I’ve been essentially Linux-only since then, with occasional returns to Windows for one-off tasks (e.g. play a certain game with friends, run an app, test something, etc).
The only time I’ve booted into Windows in the last year was to install Minecraft Bedrock edition so my kid could play with his friend, but his kid flaked and we haven’t been back since.
The Beginning of the Revolution is upon us, my friends
Nearly 30 years after I first heard “Linux will take over Windows”! Think that was in 1994 or 1995.
To dislodge an incumbent, a product needs to have an enormous advantage, a killer feature that makes the hassle of changing worth it. Up until now, Linux didn’t have it. Well, it did, but Windows had it too, but Microsoft dropped it: lack of ads baked on the OS.
Now that Windows is turning into yet another Ad delivery system, people are looking for an escape. Many are going to Macs, some are coming to Linux.
That’s not really a killer app.
The biggest reason Windows is the leader by far is because of the Office suite. There’s no good alternative that has anywhere near the features or fluidity and doesn’t feel like it was designed in 2005.
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Online Office has definitely gotten better. At this point I think the big missing features are macros (which will never come) and Power Query/Pivot and the Data Model.
Seems to be truly be gaining momentum and solidifying its status though. Linux 30 years, 20 years, 10 years, even 5 years ago is not even comparable its current state.
Lol its in last place behind an ad based mobile os that just came out #Progress
man you salty af
ChromeOS has been out for over a decade. Its not “new”, many schools actually used it before the pandemic.
Ah, Unknown, my favorite OS
Btw I use unknown OS!
Used be the Chinese government.
Penguins together strong
Speaking for myself, but I suspect this applies to a lot of people, the factors that are enabling me to run Linux as my personal computer are:
- The browser experience is now on par with other operating systems. For many people, almost everything they do on their computer is through the browser so this is important.
- Games now work. Every game I’ve wanted to play has worked on Linux.
- If I want to do word processing or spreadsheeting and I absolutely need the formatting to be correct or want to use the more advanced aspects of Excel, I now have a work device to do those things. This wasn’t the case a few years ago, when most people worked on a company desktop machine at work.
Putting that together and subtracting all the annoyances of Windows - nagging notifications, updates that take forever, Windows trying to make my default browser Edge, the greater threat of viruses - why wouldn’t I be on Linux? Why wouldn’t a lot of people be on Linux?
As a latex user, reading “… and I absolutely need the formatting to be correct …” and using word is a joke
Latex is what made switching to linux possible for me during college. I had multiple lab classes that required their own very specific formatting. One of them required latex, and I was the only person who ended up learning latex in my lab group. Between that semester and the next one, I installed linux and used latex exclusively for all my reports, and I can certainly say that my papers actually looked good. I spent no time on formatting after the first lab report when I made my template.
As someone who wishes he could use CSS for full-blown typesetting, do I need to get off your lawn?
Why wouldn’t a lot of people be on Linux?
Because dumb people like me are too scared to leave what we know and have always heard that you need to actually know a thing or two instead of just relying on modern user-“friendly” systems to do it all for you.
@IndiBrony
I’ve come to the conclusion that the user friendly part is just plain wrong. how many times have i struggled on Windows with something but managed fine on linux.of course there are actual things that are more difficult but that’s only because so much more is possible with linux.
advanced users wouldn’t notice a difference and advanced user appreciate the difference.
@CoupleOfConcerns @linuxIt’s all about documentation. If something goes tits up in Linux it’s rare that it takes me more than 15 or 20 mins to find a fix. Windows, if something happens, it could be hours to find an answer, longer if the first bits I find don’t work anymore. I’ve had a few occasions where I just straight up reinstalled windows because I couldn’t find a solution to an OS breaking situation. The only times I’ve reinstalled a Linux distro is when I’m hopping to a new one, decide I don’t really like it and go back to the last one I had installed.
@SturgiesYrFase reinstall windows… yeah its amazing that even with linux’s many distros. the solution is usually achievable compared to Windows that has only one version to maintain but still manages to have parts not working. even with direct vendor support for drivers
Well, being top dog doesn’t really lead to innovation usually. When you already have such a massive market share why spend to pull in new customers? Easier to just make things slightly shittier over time and hope no one notices.
That’s not really true nowadays. Linux Mint is easier to learn than Windows. Unless you want to play certain games, in which case you might have to tinker with Wine and Lutris.
Honestly with things like Heroic it’s unlikely that you really need to “tinker” much regardless.
Well there’s the fact that it’s somewhat true as for example if you use a chromium based browser on Linux hardware acceleration isn’t enabled by default and borderline doesn’t work a lot of the time.
Doesn’t sound so bad till you realise what it does to battery life on a laptop.
I love Linux and we are so close but it’s small things like that, which prevent me getting friends and family to use it consistently.
Remember that MS removed office from chromebook’s play store, you can imagine why, they are pretty scared now. Apart from office I see the Cad industry offered briscad to Linux , the video editing industry offered davince and lightworks, the 3d modeling one has blender which is just industry-grade per se, I guess office and adobe are the only grandparents reluctant to switch to the new world.
I don’t even understand why people use Chrome OS other than schools forcing it on you
My mother is technologically impaired. Her last (Windows Vista) laptop was a nightmare from the day she got it. She absolutely loves her Chromebook. All she uses it for is online shopping/banking/emails, so it is perfect for her.
absolutely agree but don’t forget that google tracks everything
True, but unless Google starts militarising or something the only thing they can do with my mothers data is target some ads at her. Which she will completely ignore since she will only buy things from the same 2 or 3 sites she has visited for the past 10-15 years.
I know it’s unlikely for your mother, but a very real risk is a government forcing Google to hand over your data.
Same reason here. I convinced both of my parents to get Chromebooks over the last few years, and the number of “service calls” I get from them have dropped drastically.
My dad uses it a lot. He has access to Google Drive, his blog, and email, and that’s all he really needs. It “Just Works” and gets out of his way. He used to be a huge Microsoft fanboy and adamant that he needed Office, but now he just uses his Chromebook and is happy.
Sure, he could be using some Linux flavor, but what would he gain? He doesn’t need anything outside of the browser, so ChromeOS is perfect for him.
price is a big part in all of it i suppose
Kind of. My dad is kinda cheap, but he was willing to pay a premium for Office. He mostly switched because he hates subscription services (and that’s where Office is going), and he realized Google Docs provided the features he needed.
My dad would still be on Windows + Office today if Microsoft wasn’t pushing for a subscription-based service. So he was won over by the experience first and foremost, but the lower price certainly didn’t hurt.
Sure, he could be using some Linux flavor, but what would he gain?
A whole lot more privacy. Although that’s unfortunately not worth it for a lot of normies.
IDK, if he’s going to use Chrome and Google Services regardless, does Linux really offer much more privacy?
You can get a ton more privacy regardless of OS if you try, but if you just use the popular services, you can use the most locked down OS and you’ll still have privacy issues.
So I’m not going to try to push Linux on people, I’m going to encourage privacy-oriented solutions. It’s much easier to get someone to change one service they use than to change operating systems, and the services are the more important part when it comes to privacy.
Sadly on most linux you would miss an hw accelerated chrome :-/
@andrr_464 @Kaped my grandma literally just needs to do some online banking, aka all she needs is a reliable browser. chromeOS is that. it launches chrome without any bloat. it runs on a dead cheap laptop £150 done.
no Hassel no complications works out the box no long term slow down from something like windows it just works.
obviously much of this applies for Linux to and once chromeOS reaches end of life on her laptop I will be putting Linux on there but till then it works
my first thought was LINUX, i just struggle to trust google with anything
My grandma keeps a book beside her computer with all of her passwords written in it. I don’t think she cares that much about security or privacy.
@JuxtaposedJaguar @andrr_464 that’s better than most people, j know people who don’t even try remember their passwords and just do forget password everytime
@andrr_464 yep but for my grandparents the out of th3 box expierence matters. like I said once end of life is reached I’ll put mint on it or something
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I use ChromeOS because I use Google Workspace. It gives me a cheap portable machine for work, and for meetings I rather carry that than a £2000 overspec’d heavy 15" laptop. It’s the cheapest of the cheap, and it can run Linux in a VM with Firefox. It has fantastic battery life. I also run Linux on the laptop, and on a Desktop PC, as well as servers.
In my mind, ChromeOS works. It’s literally a browser with a screen, a keyboard, and some deep-rooted privacy concerns.
As for Windows, that I don’t understand the need in 2023. I switched to Debian, and immediately saw better thermals, less fan noise, faster boot, longer battery life, and all sort of other improvements. Given Linux/Windows/MacOS/DOS/iOS/Android are all effectively launchers for apps and provide broadly the same services I don’t really care which, but I will choose the ones that make me most productive.
I keep a Chromebook for stuff around the house. 90+ percent of normal usage these days is the web anyhow. The Linux vm with ssh and remmina installed gets me server maintenance and Remote Desktop to my server without paying more than $200 for the laptop. You can’t beat the value of these things if you don’t need to compile/edit videos or something
you can also install arch linux on chrome os but it isn’t recommended on a low spec machine
Writers use it a lot, you only need Google Docs or another web app for writing and saves to the cloud that’s it
I use it. I prefer the experience to Windows and I don’t have the time to properly learn Linux. I know that’s lazy and I know I am sacrificing a certain degree of privacy by being lazy, but I already use a Pixel phone so I don’t think I’ve giving away anything new. One day I will probably sit down and set up Linux on my Chromebook and have more of a tinker, I’ve done it before and I’m relatively tech savvy.
Oh wow. I checked the stats for Norway, which is at 12%. https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/norway Sweden and Denmark at <2%, Finland 4%, Iceland 3%. That is a surprising W for Norway.
Finland 4%
Linus, his daughter, and a few test instances
Hmmm, says 13% now 🤔 Is Bjørn booting up his porn servers again?
Norway is the first world of the Scandinavians. Im not suprised
As a Norwegian. Nah. We’re very much similar in culture, which is why this is surprising. The whole "we are better than " is mostly for fun.
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Almost 2nd spot! Keep going!
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Does the SteamDeck contribute to the Linux number?
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Definitely
That’s cheating. The Steam Deck is a game console, not a desktop.
@argv_minus_one
@bzxt
Functionally it’s a laptop with a controller built in instead of a keyboard, plug it in to a dock with a keyboard and mouse, and even an external monitor, and you have a linux computer
Probably not? Why would Steam Deck users access StatCounter? I have used the browser like 1-2 times total on my Steam Deck, but since it’s annoying, I just don’t bother anymore.
So I’m guessing Steam Deck doesn’t contribute much at all to this since it’s based on browser user agents.
@sugar_in_your_tea
@EliteCow
If that *is* the case, then the Deck probably still contributes indirectly, at least in my case I switched a few months before the Deck started shipping, but after it was announcedAnd while I was slightly familiar with linux and interested in switching before, the Deck made it so that I felt safer and more confident doing so
Sure, it’s certainly helping Linux adoption, but for every person that switches to Linux after buying a deck, there’s a ton that don’t.
I have two coworkers with a Steam Deck and neither have any interest in using Linux.
i mean it says it’s based on page views so SteamDeck wont have much of an impact unless its being used to browse the web id assume
Linux is like 3% of Steam users, where maybe half are from Steam Deck users. So if it does contribute, it’s probably not a big factor in these totals. I’m guessing devs/enthusiasts are the main contributors
I think we’re at a unique point where windows has pissed off people to no end by continuing to ruin their operating system, and Linux has reached a very mature point. Everyone I know that uses windows hates it now, more than ever, and are finally at the tipping point.
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I wonder why Windows share dips while “unknown” surges. It seems to reverse afterwards.
I read in another post a while ago that there was some issue with a Windows update that caused it not to register as Windows. It was then corrected in a subsequent update. So the Unknown bump is just Windows.
Edit for reference: https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share/desktop/worldwide/#monthly-202301-202307
