How deep are they willing to guzzle that Nazi boot?
Reading JL’s comments in this thread reminds me of this excellent quote
“A liberal is someone who opposes every war except the current war and supports all civil rights movements except the one that’s going on right now.”
So they’ve gone from “we don’t have a first amendment so shut up” to “we don’t have any ethics so shut up.” Cool.
PTB
Time to post some quotes
Others I like:
Those who make peaceful protest impossible make violent revolution inevitable.
JFK
Riots are the voice of the unheard
MLK
Well duh, its the same group Jefferson fought.
we’re talking about quoting the guy who put slaves in secret cupboards and trapdoors under tables and shit right
what’s the name of this shitty movement that guy ended up founding anyway? why quote him?
I continue to maintain that the best individual policy is to instance-block .world and let the redditor hoi polloi who end up there self-select onto smaller and better instances as they wake up to what a crappy place the default is. If they aren’t capable of eventually waking up to that, then I don’t really want them in my feed, so .world is a good place for them to be contained.
PTB. Like always for .world lol
Well ayy, you beat me to making a PTB post on this, but uh yeah…
.world?
collaborating with and covering for fascists?
People should move to other instances and mods of popular communities should migrate the communities as well.
happy cake day!
Unless demanded by local legislation, that’s a clear PTB in my book.
So. You have a link about the usage of force by the dogs of some broligarchic junta. Clearly unnecessary, unless someone thinks people in wheelchair are such a violent threat that it demands such measures. The group was arrested mostly for “Crowding, Obstructing, and Incommoding” - i.e. some “quick, find some law that fits this situation, so we can get rid of those things! Heil Chrump!”.
Then you have a commenter (the_q) correctly pointing out shit won’t progress unless people actually fight back. And another (PancakesCantKillMe) clearly quoting something; I don’t even know (or care) who this Thomas Turbano guy is, but the second comment is clearly a quote.
So, let ask me the following: accordingly to the LW mods, is self-defence violence?
- If it is not, then those comments should not be removed as “advocating violence”.
- If it is, then they’re effectively promoting that people should lower themselves from human beings to punching bags of their local junta.
Don’t get me wrong - I don’t even think they’re doing this “intentionally”. I get LW mods are full of Good Intentions®, and for the sake of some idyllic vision of pacifism, where tyrants will magically stop being tyrants if you say them “tyranny bad! EDIT WOW THANKS FOR THE GOLD, KIND STRANGER!”. However Hell is full of good intentions.
.world sucks ass, it’s a reddit clone
There are a few news related subs on .world with shitty moderators, the rest of the instance is as chill as anywhere else. If you see .world mentioned here, it is probably the News community.
I wish i could find a better instance. :c
You can. This community is on a good instance.
…have you expended the slightest bit of effort to do that? Because there are plenty.
I’ve researched a few dozen.
Every time I dig deep there’s something unreconcialable I find in usually the community or the admins’ unfair moderation practices. Or it’s really small and weird and I don’t understand what it’s about.
.world is cringe and corporate feeling, like reddit, but the admins are more consistent than the smaller communities I’ve tried.
that’s fair. I like sdf.org but I would, I chose it.
Sopuli.xyz might be a good option.
They are a medium sized general purpose instance based in Finland with good admins, a consistently updated Lemmy, and fast speeds.
Also @[email protected] and @[email protected]
I’ll check it out, thanks
Any controversies I should know about?
None that I’m aware of :D
Also just want to mention you can export your subscriptions, blocks, and saved posts/comments as a JSON file from your account settings page, and then import that file at your new instance in the same spot!
Please update here if you find one! The draw of lemmy (and fediverse in general) should be that if something like this happens we aren’t beholden to the instance and can switch, but unfortunately I share your experience with other instances 😔
Im in the same boat :/
Lol says the “reddthat” user. Actually it’s a good instance name, but the irony …
Reddthat disables downvotes, so quite different from Reddit
Is it? There are plenty of subreddits who have taken downvotes out of their community. Badly, but they have. /r/CanadaPolitics will outright ban you if you ever admit to downvoting something in the community.
The removal of downvotes alone is not remotely sufficient evidence of being “quite different” from Reddit in that regard. Honestly it just reminds me of /r/Conservative and their flair system too. I don’t understand why downvotes are being banished.
Downvotes are still possible on Reddit, even if their impact is limited.
Reddthat doesn’t even have the button anymore
Which is a relatively minor mechanical difference.
Doesnt matter the instance. They’re all reddit like
Let’s agree to disagree! 😄
What a bunch of snowflakes.
Reddit basically removed downvotes as well since the EA comment. You still had the button, but it was inable to change the trend of the first few minutes.
I still regularly get downvoted on /r/RedditAlternatives, so it still seems to work
I mean, in fairness, Thomas Jefferson was a big advocate for violence. As far as he was concerned, if someone was infringing on your rights, the answer was to get some friends with some rifles and go to work.
I mean, for him specifically…
the answer was to get some friends with some rifles and have them go to work.
He was in the Virginia militia for 9 years. IDK how much actual fighting he did, he started out as a colonel so maybe not much, but he was in the military.
Who do we need to be fair to? Nazi sympathizers?
That aside, does that mean libraries in NL aren’t allowed to carry books that quote Thomas Jefferson? I doubt they have any risk of law enforcement beating their doors down over that…
who shoukd we be fair to? nazis?
Yep. And nobody else. To do otherwise would be illiberal and amtisemitic and communist.
Look out, pointing out that abiding by their rules will lead to no change will get you downvoted to hell because people want to feel like their ineffective actions mean something.
I’m not agreeing with the mods, I haven’t even looked into the details. I’m pretty sure it is legal to advocate violence in books (or, for that matter, on the internet), it’s just that in the weird quasi-legal regulatory space that is moderated forums it is a universal no no.
I’m just saying that if the mods are accusing Thomas Jefferson quotes of advocating violence, they are probably right, because he was a big and unapologetic advocate of violence in some circumstances.
It is illegal only if it is reasonably going to trigger or calls for any immediate lawlessness. Like straight up trying to get a bunch of people together to knock-over a convenience store or actually organizing a murder.
Saying “man, I wish this evil son of a bitch took a round in the face” is not such a time. Niether is quoting someone else suggesting violence as a path towards liberty.
Correctamundo. It’s called the Brandenburg test.
it’s just that in the weird quasi-legal regulatory space that is moderated forums it is a universal no no.
Where the fuck did you get a nonsense idea like that?
Which side of it?
The side that it’s not actually illegal to advocate violence? “To cross the legal threshold from protected to unprotected speech, the Supreme Court held the speaker must intend to incite or produce imminent lawless action, and the speaker’s words or conduct must be likely to produce such action. These requirements are known as the Brandenburg test.” Unless there’s a decent likelihood that me talking on the internet will actually lead to whatever I’m talking about happening, it’s okay to talk about, which leaves a massive grey area.
Or the side that threats of violence are not allowed on most moderated spaces on the internet? I’m not sure how I could give you a citation for that one, would you settle for citations from like 5 of the biggest social media platforms as a stand-in?
The way you phrased it made it sound like social media was somehow being forced to do it rather than choosing to do it themselves.
Opposite. Was clear to me; excessive cya, or just wanting to.
To you, it sounded that way, maybe.
Or, it’s possible that you didn’t really care whether it “sounded” like I was saying that weird and not true thing (who would even be forcing those social media platforms to do this? “The” government? The devs? The server owners? The corporate owners, of the ones that are corporate which wasn’t what we were talking about?), and just wanted to play the favorite Lemmy game of pretending someone said something everyone knows is false, so you can waste time and typing of all people involved by pretending that absurd thing is what they said and then starting to curse and be hostile at them about how stupid they are for saying that absurd thing they never said. It is fun to do that. Popular too! Have fun with it. Any time you want to join us in the conversation we’re actually having you are welcome to do that too, though.
How the fuck else was I supposed to interpret “weird quasi-legal regulatory space,” asshole? Jeez, bite my head off for an honest mistake due to your unclear phrasing, why don’t you!
based.
What’s the legal standard in the Netherlands? Anyone know? Seems relevant here.
I get that they’re
US-based and have to follow US laws, but man, thats ironic.Edit: NL/Germany based https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/
I thought they were in NL? Also, quoting Thomas Jefferson is not against the law in the USA.
Shoot, you’re right about the jurisdiction. That makes it even dumber. https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/
It can be construed as advocating for violence in this context. Since, ya know, it’s obvious who the tyrants are
I never knew where this quote came from, I have heard variants of it several times but never figured out the source until now.
And if you don’t know that, it is just a random sentence calling for violence.
Which I can understand the mod not being aware of.
Well, that wouldn’t violate any US laws even if they were.
Even money says Jordan is involved.
