You (and apparently 11 others) have completely misread my comment. I explicitly said "That doesn’t mean that the Macy’s day parade is a failure. Macy’s Day Parade is clearly absolutely a success. And guess what, there’s metrics to back it up. My point is that just because I do not watch it doesn’t mean that it’s not a success. There are zero metrics provided by Aeao nor by the article to substantiate any sort of conclusion about trump’s parade one way or the other. Until those statistics come out, anything anyone says about the failure or success of the event is just spreading misinformation.
I deleted my commnet, but you’re still silly to call Trump’s parade anything but a fiasco.
Think of it this way. If the military had looked tough, the top posts would be about how scary the Army was and how threatened people feel. If Trump had gotten the crowds he wanted he’d be all over the media today crowing about how popular he is.
Or to put it another way. If you live near the local football field you can tell instantly when the hometeam has lost, simply by the way people leave the stadium. No one in MAGA world is taking a victory lap
I don’t really see the correlation here. The article doesn’t make any of the claims you do, nor does Aeao. The article just makes some vague claims and Aeao has about 15 logical fallacies in just as many comments. This has nothing to do with whether or not the parade was actually a failure and everything to do with the fact that just making shit up and claiming anecdotal evidence is evidence means you are no better than the conservatives you’re trying to make look bad. In fact it weakens your position a ton.
To make this clear I am not saying trumps parade was good nor bad, because unlike other commenters here I wait until I have actual evidence to make claims. I do not give one shit whether his parade was good or bad in this conversation because that’s not the discussion here. The discussion is about whether you can make a claim like “I didn’t watch this, you didn’t watch this, I don’t know anyone that did watch it, so it’s a failure”, which is an absolutely ridiculous argument to make, which is why I used Aeao’s own Macy’s day parade example against them. It shows how ridiculous of an argument it is.
Aeao is busy now asking me to provide what I think failure is, which is directly out of the fascist and conservative playbook of flipping the conversation around. I’m not the one claiming it was a failure. We don’t even know what the actual numbers are, how are we even supposed to define failure? You seem to be defining it by how much the orange turd is bragging on the internet. Lembot 0003 seems to be defining it based on how ordinary it was. Aeao is defining it based on whether they watched it or not, which is clearly anecdotal and much less based in fact than anything else provided here. That’s my point.
Edit: just to make one more point: Aeao was making a claim. Their claim is not supported by the linked article with facts or figures or even pictures. I block all trump and musk keywords on lemmy, so I’m not going to see anything else you are considering to be “failure” in regards to other posts being at the top. It’s not my job to go find that info. I’m not the one making the claim it’s a failure. Either rolling stone needs to provide it (which would be good journalism) or Aeao needs to provide it, which clearly they can’t do because those figures don’t exist yet and all they seem to want to do is argue with anecdotal evidence.
You, for whatever reason, are vastly overcomplicating it.
I’m old enough to remember Bush Jr. landing on that aircraft carrier dressed like Fighter Pilot Barbie. People on the Left derided him, but we all had to admit that he’d made a powerful statement and really touched a lot of people
You say you need ‘facts,’ and I say that people were building complex machines long before they had calculus. Sometimes the evidence of your own eyes is enough.
Or do you think that six months from now people will change their minds and start talking about what a great parade it was?
1)You said I made 15 comments. I want your explanation on that exaggerated count
i want you to list all 15 logical fallacies you said I made.
You said asking you to define what “failure” means to you is “directly out of the fascist and conservative playbook”. Give me examples of fascists and conservatives asking for that clarification.
you said I need to provide proof. Sure, what proof would you like?
I want answers to those questions but I’ll continue explaining my point that you clearly missed.
I need a metric of what is and isn’t a failure from the people disagreeing because otherwise there’s nothing to say. Right now there are plenty of reputable news sources saying low turnout but no real hard numbers and honestly when numbers do come out they will be estimating. Does that count?
Let’s assume an exact count tho, I’ll make up numbers to illiterate the problem with your arguments. Let’s pretend they are accurate .
100,000 people. Is that a failure or a success?
What about 10,000?
What about 1,000,000?
That’s just people who attended and maybe you’re counting people who watched at home?
150,000 hypothetical people watched at home let’s say. Is that a failure or a success?
That’s the point you are purposely turning away from. When we say it was a failure we mean it was significantly less viewers than anticipated and significantly less than other major parades.
What are you asking for? What’s your metric? That isn’t an unreasonable question it’s vital for this discussion. What are you asking for?
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You (and apparently 11 others) have completely misread my comment. I explicitly said "That doesn’t mean that the Macy’s day parade is a failure. Macy’s Day Parade is clearly absolutely a success. And guess what, there’s metrics to back it up. My point is that just because I do not watch it doesn’t mean that it’s not a success. There are zero metrics provided by Aeao nor by the article to substantiate any sort of conclusion about trump’s parade one way or the other. Until those statistics come out, anything anyone says about the failure or success of the event is just spreading misinformation.
I’ve offered proof you haven’t been able to articulate what proof you want.
I deleted my commnet, but you’re still silly to call Trump’s parade anything but a fiasco.
Think of it this way. If the military had looked tough, the top posts would be about how scary the Army was and how threatened people feel. If Trump had gotten the crowds he wanted he’d be all over the media today crowing about how popular he is.
Or to put it another way. If you live near the local football field you can tell instantly when the hometeam has lost, simply by the way people leave the stadium. No one in MAGA world is taking a victory lap
I don’t really see the correlation here. The article doesn’t make any of the claims you do, nor does Aeao. The article just makes some vague claims and Aeao has about 15 logical fallacies in just as many comments. This has nothing to do with whether or not the parade was actually a failure and everything to do with the fact that just making shit up and claiming anecdotal evidence is evidence means you are no better than the conservatives you’re trying to make look bad. In fact it weakens your position a ton.
To make this clear I am not saying trumps parade was good nor bad, because unlike other commenters here I wait until I have actual evidence to make claims. I do not give one shit whether his parade was good or bad in this conversation because that’s not the discussion here. The discussion is about whether you can make a claim like “I didn’t watch this, you didn’t watch this, I don’t know anyone that did watch it, so it’s a failure”, which is an absolutely ridiculous argument to make, which is why I used Aeao’s own Macy’s day parade example against them. It shows how ridiculous of an argument it is.
Aeao is busy now asking me to provide what I think failure is, which is directly out of the fascist and conservative playbook of flipping the conversation around. I’m not the one claiming it was a failure. We don’t even know what the actual numbers are, how are we even supposed to define failure? You seem to be defining it by how much the orange turd is bragging on the internet. Lembot 0003 seems to be defining it based on how ordinary it was. Aeao is defining it based on whether they watched it or not, which is clearly anecdotal and much less based in fact than anything else provided here. That’s my point.
Edit: just to make one more point: Aeao was making a claim. Their claim is not supported by the linked article with facts or figures or even pictures. I block all trump and musk keywords on lemmy, so I’m not going to see anything else you are considering to be “failure” in regards to other posts being at the top. It’s not my job to go find that info. I’m not the one making the claim it’s a failure. Either rolling stone needs to provide it (which would be good journalism) or Aeao needs to provide it, which clearly they can’t do because those figures don’t exist yet and all they seem to want to do is argue with anecdotal evidence.
You, for whatever reason, are vastly overcomplicating it.
I’m old enough to remember Bush Jr. landing on that aircraft carrier dressed like Fighter Pilot Barbie. People on the Left derided him, but we all had to admit that he’d made a powerful statement and really touched a lot of people
You say you need ‘facts,’ and I say that people were building complex machines long before they had calculus. Sometimes the evidence of your own eyes is enough.
Or do you think that six months from now people will change their minds and start talking about what a great parade it was?
1)You said I made 15 comments. I want your explanation on that exaggerated count
i want you to list all 15 logical fallacies you said I made.
You said asking you to define what “failure” means to you is “directly out of the fascist and conservative playbook”. Give me examples of fascists and conservatives asking for that clarification.
you said I need to provide proof. Sure, what proof would you like?
I want answers to those questions but I’ll continue explaining my point that you clearly missed.
I need a metric of what is and isn’t a failure from the people disagreeing because otherwise there’s nothing to say. Right now there are plenty of reputable news sources saying low turnout but no real hard numbers and honestly when numbers do come out they will be estimating. Does that count?
Let’s assume an exact count tho, I’ll make up numbers to illiterate the problem with your arguments. Let’s pretend they are accurate .
100,000 people. Is that a failure or a success?
What about 10,000?
What about 1,000,000?
That’s just people who attended and maybe you’re counting people who watched at home?
150,000 hypothetical people watched at home let’s say. Is that a failure or a success?
That’s the point you are purposely turning away from. When we say it was a failure we mean it was significantly less viewers than anticipated and significantly less than other major parades.
What are you asking for? What’s your metric? That isn’t an unreasonable question it’s vital for this discussion. What are you asking for?